On 24/03/2020 18:08, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 02:37:56PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > ...snip... > > Lets refrain from Holocaust and rape comparisons, they are completely > uncalled for. > > I'd like to once again ask for this thread to die and folks to move back > to Fedora devel topics. While I understand your personal desire to kill the thread, I don't feel it is fair to do so by misrepresenting or exaggerating anybody else's comments. If you simply write "I'm making an executive decision to kill the thread" then people know where you stand and you can claim to be neutral. We all know running these tools is far from easy. The comments you refer to were about people in leadership positions who acted from early in their career to exclude certain groups. For example, Herr Hitler was disparaging the Jews at least 20 years before starting the Holocaust. In 1919, he wrote[1] about having different laws/Code of Conduct for Jews. No mention of any gas chambers in the Gemlich letter[1], only a legal "demotion" for Jewish Germans. The enormity of his abuses are in no way comparable but the general attitude, that Hitler or Weinstein could simply make somebody else disappear because they were the boss, is a fair comparison. You used the word rape, but it appears that Weinstein never raped the women who he spread gossip[2] about. What matters is that he had a deliberate intention to attack their careers: the same intention is clearly obvious in writings from Chris Lamb and Sam Hartman in Debian. This is the nature of analogies and metaphors: there is no claim that they are identical in every way to the situation at hand. Metaphors are a legitimate form of speech. To be absolutely clear, /you/ chose the word Holocaust but I would never use the word Holocaust to describe the aggressive removal of community representatives in free software organizations. Both acts are evil but one is a lot more evil than the other. The council-discuss list only appears to have 5 users[2] so I don't know if this topic will actually be noticed there but in case anybody else does want to continue there, please subscribe[3], I've added the council list on CC. Regards, Daniel 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemlich_letter 2. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/15/peter-jackson-harvey-weinstein-ashley-judd-mira-sorvino 3. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss.lists.fedoraproject.org/ _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
