Hi Aleksandra, Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I'm going to reply to bits and pieces of your comments. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:49 AM Aleksandra Fedorova <alpha@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > First of all, i think this new message looks hostile, especially this part: "The Fedora Project will be a reference for everyone who shares this vision", which reads as "If you share the vision, you must be in Fedora". > I had not considered that interpretation. Our intent was the opposite: we want to be a reference model of sorts. In other words, we expect that there are many other communities out there who will share our vision and do their own parts to make it happen. Our goal is to serve as an example of how to do it "right". If you have suggestions on how to convey that meaning more clearly, they are very welcome. > It seems you are trying to make it sound more appealing or exciting. As you see it as a way to invite new people. > But mission statement or vision is different from a marketing talking point. It is not what attracts attention or curiosity, it is what binds us together to do a specific thing. > It is a hand wavy proclamation that says that Fedora Project's ultimate goal is the World Peace and Prosperity. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely support the goal :) But what makes Fedora to be Fedora is the way how exactly we are trying to help to reach this goal. > It's important to not conflate mission statements and vision statements. A vision statement should be how we envision the world (hence the name); it's supposed to be vague and hand-wavy. It's purpose is inspirational, not practical. A mission statement defines the scope of what we're going to do to make our vision come true. The vision is broader than the Fedora Project could ever hope to achieve on it's own. We'll do our part (which is what the mission statement describes) and other communities will do theirs. > Moreover, I have an alternative proposal [1] which I haven't got a lot of feedback yet. > It maybe worded differently, but in short, I'd like to see the "Integrate First" statement added to our core values, somewhere next to the Upstream First thing. > I don't see that as an alternative proposal but a complimentary proposal. This addresses the mission more than the vision. Part of the reason you haven't had much feedback on this is that we realized we needed to set the vision more explicitly before we can give it the appropriate consideration. Once the vision statement is settled, I'll use my agenda-making powers to push discussion on your proposal. :-) > And I prefer to see Fedora's mission not to try and take over the world, but to fill in this gap, based on previous successful experience over many years, but also together with finding new ways, new workflows and even new definitions for it. > I totally agree. I think I can speak for the rest of the Council members and say they all agree, too. We have a broad vision of the world, but our goal is to focus on a narrow part of the execution. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
