On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 6:16 PM Dennis Gilmore <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 2018-12-21 at 16:23 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > > Thanks for drafting this. I think it's a great step in the right > > direction. You're right that these are all minor annoyances that > > aggregate to a bigger problem, so it's good to take a holistic > > approach to addressing them. Right now it seems focused on replacing > > the features lost by the deprecation of pkgdb. I'd encourage you to > > think about what other changes could be made to improve the overall > > packaging experience. Before it comes up for a vote, I'd like to see > > more concrete goals and a rough idea of how they'd be achieved. > > Obviously some of the specifics will become clear and evolve as the > > work goes on. > > I would like to echo Ben here, I think that a package experience > objective should look at how to automate the tedious manual repetitive > bits in maintaining packages and allow people to only have to deal with > things that truely need a person to look at them. I would like to see > steps from fully automating package reviews and updates, and letting > packagers know when they have something needing attention, to > rethinking the workflows entirely. I think that there could be a lot of > tie in with the CI objective. > > Dennis Hi Dennis and Ben, Sorry for the delay in responding here; I admit I wasn't thinking too much about Fedora over vacation... Thanks a lot for the feedback! I think it definitely makes sense to broaden the proposal to include more than just cleaning up after the pagure migration-- though I still think that's a good place to start, since it's something that happened relatively recently. I do have some thoughts about other areas of the workflow that could be improved (like the review process, which I just added a section on to the wiki page), but I think I'll first take this back to the devel list to solicit interest and ideas from others. Then, perhaps, we can try to set some more concrete goals and create a more specific plan for accomplishing them. (Part of this might be identifying what can be done in the next 12-18 months and what's a longer term goal to keep working on in the future, too. For instance, I think a short-term goal for the review process might be to get fedora-review ran automatically on all review tickets, but a longer-term goal might be to replace Bugzilla entirely and write a new reviews app. The short-term goal might be something we'd want to get done explicitly as part of the Objective, while the long-term goal might be something for the "packager quality of life" SIG/WG to keep working on over time.) Cheers, Ben Rosser _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
