On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 01:38:07AM +0200, Haïkel wrote: > 2016-09-08 21:47 GMT+02:00 Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > On 09/03/2016 03:00 PM, Be wrote: > >> > >> The culture on the Fedora IRC channels is hostile and unwelcoming. I > >> recently asked for technical help in #fedora and most of the responses > >> were insults. I went to #fedora-ops to report the offending user and was > >> horrified to see that the user is one of the IRC operators. So, I found > >> the link to the IRC issue tracker > >> <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/> in the #fedora channel topic > >> and reported my experience at > >> <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/192> > > > > > > This has been a problem for *YEARS*. I've been through the same exact > > situation multiple times, I dutifully followed their process of filing a > > grievance ticket etc. multiple times, and it ended up nowhere. > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/56 > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/61 > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/62 > > > > Good luck to you for trying, but honestly, it's a lost cause. On any Fedora > > projects I work on particularly websites I am sure to avoid listing that > > channel or giving it any kind of official blessing, and I also orient the > > many new contributors I help onboard by warning them to stay away from it. > > > > My life has been much happier and better for never going back there again, > > and it's shameful that it's continued to operate under the name of Fedora. I > > lobbied very hard to change the situation back then and got nowhere - there > > are politics here that prevent any sort of cleanup as far as I can tell. If > > I had the permissions with freenode, I'd just have the channel completely > > obliterated. > > > > I do not say *any* of this lightly. > > I stand behind your statement. > > May I ask the council to consider this as a project-wide goal: "Put > the Friends back in Fedora" > A friendlier Fedora community is a key factor to meet our goals. The #fedora channel is not a friendly place. We point our new-comers to it but I honestly would prefer to point them to another place because the welcoming there is for the list, harsh, rude and most definitely not family-friendly (which can be a problem in some culture). There has been other attempts to revise a little the climate on the channel, including from known contributors: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/132 (4 years ago) without much success. I realize that managing a channel such as #fedora with so many people is a though job and cannot be managed as smaller channel, but I wonder if some of the OPs aren't a little 'burned out' by this duty and maybe renewing the team or part of it would benefit everyone. Pierre _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
