On 10/21/2009 05:04 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > Why not? If you change to whatever the latest group of users wants then > you're not leading, you're following. I messaged Seth on IRC for a bit more clarification on this tonight and ended up having an enlightening discussion which I then continued with Adam Jackson and Luke Macken on my bus ride home. :) So here is one idea I have to throw out there, in some part informed by those discussion. This is just a strawman! I'm not making any grand proclamations. But I'd love to hear what you think with that in mind, because I'd like us to make some forward progress from this thread (and I really, really need a target user so I can get my job done! ;-) ) Fedora is two things. 1) Fedora is a community that builds software, a set of projects on fedorahosted.org, a set of spins on spins.fedoraproject.org - it's basically a development platform for creating free & open source software and applying free & open source software towards solving specific problems. 2) Fedora is a desktop distribution. Specifically focusing on #2, I would like to suggest that the target user for Fedora the desktop distribution is a person of RHCT or equivalent technical skill who would like to check their webmail in a browser. Points: - What is meant by 'RHCT or equivalent' is that this is a person who does not need to have 'using a mouse,' 'drag and drop', 'browser tabs', and 'right click menus' explained to them. He/she gets it. This is a person who feels comfortable installing their computer on their own, burning DVDs, and if pointed to instructions, is comfortable opening up a terminal and running commands or installing non-packaged software as instructed (to work around issues, e.g., adding extra yum repos or installing non-free video card drivers from a tarball if provided some direction.) - What is not meant by RHCT or equivalent: the person does not necessarily have to be a Fedora user. He or she could have the equivalent level of comfort with Windows or OS X never having touched a Linux distro, or Fedora specifically. If this person is a Windows user, they're a power user and maybe comfortable with installing some of the tweak UI bits for that, or in OS X are comfortable working in the terminal or have ports configured. So the story I would like to design to, from the Fedora website to running the desktop is: I am a person who is comfortable with computers. I hear about Fedora. I go to the Fedora website. The Fedora website appeals to me and convinces me that it's something worth trying. I find a download of Fedora that will work for me quickly and without stress. I am able to download that file and manipulate it in a way that it is install media I can insert into my machine in 10 minutes or less. I am able to successfully run the installer on my first attempt and progress through the questions it asks me in 5 minutes or less. I expect to have a running system in 15 minutes or less. I expect it to boot without errors or crashes on the first attempt, and I expect to be in a running browser in less than 3 minutes from a fresh boot. Okay, fire away! /me ducks and covers. ~m _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board