On 05/19/2009 10:24 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Example: The guidelines (not the trademark license agreement) clearly > state that "Never using the ® mark for Fedora, nor a trademark statement > per the guidelines" is "unacceptable", but AFAICS we do this on most > wiki pages. On this specific point it is worth pointing out that in general, only the actual holder of the trademark is permitted to use the "® mark", which is why Red Hat does it on the official Fedora websites, but others cannot do so. The very nature of trademarks is one where the holder of the trademarks has a superset of rights that they are allowed to use, but must be careful about how those rights are granted to others or they risk diluting (and possibly eventually losing) the marks. Or to be blunt, Red Hat will always have the ability to do things with the Fedora marks that others will not. In general, I feel that Red Hat does a very good job of not misusing the Fedora marks in ways that the community would not approve of, and have learned a lot from some of their earlier mistakes (Fedora Directory Server being one offhand). ~spot _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board