On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 17:11 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 17:06 -0500, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > Josh Boyer wrote: > > > Yes, exactly. Chris' statement earlier seemed to imply we did > > > something in F8 to make it technically possible to get legal codecs, > > > where that really isn't the case. It was just made easier. > > > > > Easier is important. But that's not the point. I think that Seth's > > worried that we're using our valuable real estate to promote a company. > > A special exemption, if you will. And I'm fine with it. If there were > > another company you could get the same stuff from I would suggest that > > we add them as an option. But we're not there right now. > > > > My concern is the next time a company comes to us with the same. > > Maybe they want a package in the distro which just installs a yum plugin > and a .repo file. > > The plugin pops up a message everytime you run yum in interactive which > says "don't you need bitkeeper for all your software development needs? > Press 'yes' here to have bitkeeper installed for you" And then it goes > out to some repo and installs it for them. > > Now, if this were a 'package' of some kind it might get rejected - > though there's no reason in the packaging guidelines to do so. However, > if the company behind bitkeeper came to us and agreed to give fedora/red > hat a big lump of cash in exchange for us to include this package, by > default, in the distro I want to be sure we have a reason/way to say no. > > That's what I'm worried about. > > unrelated: the above is an interesting use case for yum plugins :) This is a really interesting discussion in that it begs the question of why we have an advisory board or a Fedora Project Board. If we could codify every decision point, we could just write them in the wiki and dissolve at least the actual authority group (FPB). Sometimes the reason "because it makes me break out in hives" is an OK answer. What exactly are we afraid will happen if less virtuous company XYZ approaches us in the fashion described above, with some offer that really does make us break out in hives? (I know that anything with any currency symbol involved makes Seth break out in hives. I understand.) Is anyone worried that everyone on this list, or on the Board, will suddenly have their eyeballs turn into big cartoon dollar signs, and forget any semblance of FOSS ethics? Are people who are likely to do that also likely to be in a Fedora leadership position? Originally the CodecBuddy idea came out of a motive of simply making things easier on our users within US+etc. legal limits while simultaneously educating them. If the problem really is that we can't prove that motive, I'd say welcome to politics. I worry that trying to have neat dividing lines prepared for fuzzy issues makes it easier to push off responsibility for judgment calls on some piece of written text. And it makes it inevitable, rather than simply possible, that you'll alienate community members by doing so, and probably more of them to boot. I don't see a real problem with Fluendo benefiting in some fashion from codeina, as long as there's no lockout that prevents anyone else from doing the same. Fluendo has devoted very significant resources to FOSS, and although the vouching in this case is in code form, the Fedora community has vouched for other vendors similarly before (think Intel for one). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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