Re: FC8, no ALSA sound support

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Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> 2007/12/31, John Haxby <jch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>   
>> That must be a different pulseaudio to the one I'm using then.  The
>> per-application mixer (pavucontrol) is very useful
>>     
>
> How this is useful? Each app already has it's own volume control.
> Having additional one confuses user, which already doesn't distinguish
> PCM from Main volume.
>   

I obviously touched a raw nerver here -- some people have had bad 
experiences with older versions of pulseaudio.

If mplayer (not gmplayer) has a volume control I've yet to find it.   To 
my mind, having all the volume controls in one place rather than in each 
app makes much more sense.  But then I have a mixer :-)   There's now a 
master fader (pulseaudio) and per-app faders which just seems to make 
sense because it has a good hardware analogue with the mixer.
>   
>> and being able to
>> move a running stream from the normal output to the USB soundcard I've
>> just plugged iis extremely cool (yes, I know I could just restart
>> mplayer and tell it to use the different soundcard).
>>     
>
> How PA is useful in this in long term? What about simply changing
> sound cards in common settings and apps simply works?
>   

I don't know of _any_ apps that let me move a stream from one soundcard 
to another without stopping and restarting playback.  And, unless things 
have changed recently, almost all apps need to be restarted if a new 
soundcard appears because they aren't plugged into dbus or similar.

> So in fact PA is useful for about 10% of users, who want to mock with
> their sound settings. Rest of us just want a sound work or would like
> not to have some daemon  blocking sound card.
>   
Have you used PA?  It doesn't block the sound card, or at least mine 
doesn't.   And the whole point of PA, at least in Fedora 8, is that for 
most people it does just work.

I've lost the bit where you said about you're against putting an 
"unmatured[sic] system in a distro".   Fedora is a proving ground for 
relatively immature systems -- compiz and beryl are a good example: if 
you want a guaranteed stable distro pick up RHEL or CentOS.   To my mind 
pulseaudio is actually surprisingly mature and provides something that 
none of the other "standard" sound daemons -- jack excepted -- have 
provided before.

jch

jch


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