----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike A. Harris" <mharris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <xfree86@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: Improvement > So, Xconfigurator wont be coming back in our OS at least, however > the source code is dual licensed GPL and MIT, so anyone can hack > at it if they desire. If someone in the OSS community is > interested in any way of rekindling Xconfigurator as a > sourceforge or other project, feel free to contact me about this, > and I don't think there will be any problem reassigning the > source code to someone else. ;o) Be sure to actually LOOK at > the sources first before committing to such an effort however, > and make sure you've got a barf bag handy. ;o) This is an interesting idea. A sourceforge project would be a good thing ( with Xconfigurator or a new tool). > That can help to understand > also why neither application is part of XFree86 itself directly, > and neither application is ever likely to be part of XFree86 in > the future, as there is really no good technical reason for them > to exist anymore. > > Nonetheless, this is the open source community, and anyone > sufficiently motivated enough, can take either utility and > revitalize them for their own purposes. > There is user´s interest about it . See http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianDesktop Now, my screen is black, without Xwindow. Why ??. When I could see it in Knoppix LiveCD without problems ??. :? I think the problem is the monitor frequency, but not sure... I would like to try to change the frequency ( with a help tool that automatically restore to the last value if I don´t press the OK key in a popup window in a certain time after the changes ). This is newbie-proof, isn´t it ?? ( one uses it in Windows too ;) > > >Why when i go to Windows the first time, it goes in a low > >resolution and frequency and no in XFree ??. > > Windows starts up generally in 800x600 nowadays (XP). It uses a > special driver Microsoft supplies called "VGASAVE". Good thing to imitate ;) I'm not > completely at understanding at what this driver is doing > specifically, however I believe that it is more or less a VESA > BIOS driver, which can fallback to VGA mode if need be, and might > possibly have special code in it for certain other hardware. > It's more or less a "failsafe" driver which is "good enough" in > order for a proper native driver to be installed for the video > hardware in the system. That´s what I need for my first installation. Later, I can use another driver... When you boot into 'safe mode', this is > the driver Windows uses. XFree86 could benefit also from having > such a driver of course, and the "vesa" driver is probably the > closest thing to such that exists in XFree86 currently. The vesa > driver however requires a non-broken VESA BIOS in order to work > correctly, and judging by the large number of "vesa" driver > user's bug reports I see, there are numerous broken BIOSes out > there which make it difficult to have a failsafe driver. > > I believe it would be possible to fork the "vesa" driver into a > new driver named "failsafe" or somesuch, which uses VESA VBE by > default, but gets special hacks put in place for systems that are > reported to not work, but workarounds can be found, and detected > by PCI ID and other mechanisms. I'd like to at least experiment > with this in the future to see if it is a crazy idea or not. > > Go ahed with it. You are taking Linux to a next step forwards. > >If everything is OK (after installation = first time) I can > >change the resolution, frequency and so on from the same Gnome > >or another desktop manager. > > > >I suggest try ( during installation) by default the 800X600 mode > >and a low refresh frequency ( if there is not plug and play > >autodetection). > > I don't disagree, however in order for it to work on _all_ video > hardware, including hardware there are no drivers for, and > hardware there are drivers for, but the drivers may be buggy, > thus preventing the user from using X from the start, a new > driver is required, which can provide minimal unaccelerated 2D > video using VESA VBE and other fallbacks. Without that, it's > just a pipe dream. > > I agree. (perhaps in the near future I am going to change to redhat ;) Regards. _______________________________________________ XFree86 mailing list XFree86@xxxxxxxxxxx http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
