Ok, here's my 2 cents worth. It's hard to be off subject when it comes to PHP, since one of the primary features of PHP is it integrates so robustly with a wide variety of internet protocols, databases, other programming languages, etc. Even design issues leave the new folks staggering from the possible solutions, and most of them offering rapid development and implementation. If bad design choices are made, you can rip out the bad code and replace it with another option in the time it used to take to just get rolling. To answer the original question, assuming that Rinku has not departed to Antarctica to get away from being flamed, Data Flow Diagrams (DFDs) were designed to help prevent long running projects from getting on the wrong path early in the process and wasting lots of time and money. With the rapid development available in PHP, you very seldom see these tools used any more. If you are being asked to provide them, you are talking to someone who has not seen systems that used to take a year to develop, being "slapped together" (that's my technical term) in a month. To do DFD's in this market, requires just too much time. probably wasn't worth 2 cents, but what the hey, Warren Vail -----Original Message----- From: Trystano@aol.com [mailto:Trystano@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:17 PM To: php-windows@lists.php.net Subject: RE: DFD for website can I just point out that, being a student myself it is sometimes toooo time consuming to wad through loads of books etc to find a problem, so posting a question to the knowledgable ones is sometimes a better option, and much quicker. At the end of the day, we will learn the problem via both solutions. Tryst -- PHP Windows Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Windows Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php