True... I think as long as we try to keep in good spirits - especially with newbies - we'll be in good shape. Though, you do have a point: newbies that become dependant (instead of building on their knowledge to become more advanced) can be problematic - but we can't assume that every newbie will be this way. :S :P :) Hiji --- michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 04:21:43PM -0700, M-Halo > wrote: > > >As they say, RTFM. > > > > Just a million pennys worth of advice: with Wine > > bridging the gap between Windows users and Linux > > users, that saying (while still relevant) will > > probably become less desirable to tell people. ;) > > Thanks for the advice. > > > So, as people come in from the Windows world, > we're > > Eh heh. I just came in from the Windows world last > December or last > fall, and I've already started the RTFM junk. I'm > too impatient, > sleep-deprived, and self-taught. Sorry! > > > going to have to be a bit more patient with them, > and > > in fact, have to help them take those baby steps. > > I always thought that's what Red Hat, Corel and SuSe > installers and > Linux Idiots and Dummies books were for, but... > > > Otherwise, they're get turned off by the Linux > > community and choose to go back the Windows world. > > > That brings in the concept introduced by QEMU and > the like - a Windows > world inside Linux. *shrugs* Problem is, nowadays, > 70 or 80% of > Windows users have never seen a text-mode console > (especially now that > it's so well hidden in XP) and 5-30 % or so would > have problems figuring > out the Linux (i.e. ext2/3) filesystem structure, > lack of MS-DOS > shortforms for long names (i.e substuting an 8 > character string for a > 256 character one), and case sensitivity. (Those > would be easer though, > for people who post onto Unix/Linux based web > servers, since they have > experience putting files on such a system.) Others > don't know what to > do when they see even the most simplest errors, or > want to read > documentation on a new system. *sigh* The problems > of human nature... > > If we had 50% of people running Windows inside QEMU > or similar inside > Linux, would we be able to say that these people ran > Linux? > > > Yes, the saying is still relevant, but it is a bit > > harsh. :) > > Do you think we need to rewrite the acronym RTFM? I > dunno, like saying, > something kind, simple and short along the lines of > "Have you read the > manual?"? > > Some windows users also have problems sometimes with > people being "nice" > to them -- customer support and user support groups > tell them redundant > things that they already know and/or have tried 100 > times just so they > can say they tried. I had that issue. Once, I had > trouble connecting > to a couple sites through my ISP -- it turned out to > be some bad DNS > caching in a file locally on my machine, but I kept > trying the same > things for about a year or two (reinstall Windows > DUN) with no results > before it got resolved. > > > > > Peace out, > > Hiji > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > Again, sorry, and whoops. > --Michael Chang > _______________________________________________ > wine-users mailing list > wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ wine-users mailing list wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
