Andreas: As I said, no "magic" or "luck" is needed. Apparently you've never heard of bandstacking. In the case of DVB-S, it's where one side is carried in 950-1450Mhz and the other is carried in 1650-2150Mhz - full circular lnb on ..one..single..cable,..no..magic. Bandstacking doesn't use voltage switching, instead it simply operates at 18v. Power is supplied either by the tuner or by a powered switch (if present). It's not new and very commonly used here in NA/SA so whatever looking into this subject you did, you didn't look very hard. It's reasonable that you may live in some old crappy apartment with a horrible setup where you truly are without options. You'll have a hard time finding such a building here however. For that matter, most apartments have no problem with tenants setting up dishes of their own with few restrictions. fnu: I'm talking about reality - equipment that is common here and I have used myself. Using bandstacking, yes, one coax is all you need for an entire satellite. The only requirement is that the coax is rated up to 2150Mhz (ie: RG6). Bandstacking needs to be supports at the lnb (about $5-7) and the switch (from around $20-$80, depending). This equipment is common and has been used for many years here. That being the case, I would be very surprised if the same wasn't true for Europeans... Apparently though it's not since you guys are referring to this as "magic" and not `reality`. -Derek _______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@xxxxxxxxxxx https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr