Am 28.12.2012 16:38, schrieb Klaus Schmidinger: > So should we go back to the Makefiles of version 1.7.33 and declare this > area of the program source "untouchable" forever? > Maybe this would be the easiest solution, and I wouldn't get bashed, offended > and insulted that much any more. > Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected such an outrage about this > change, which was entirely intended to make things simpler in the future. > But if this is not what people want, then let's just stick with the old > Makefiles and declare version 1.7.34 a complete and utter failure... > > Beware - I'm not kidding about this! If this whining keeps going on, I will > switch back to version 1.7.33 Makefiles, and I won't dare touch them again > any time soon! After all, I didn't make this change because *I* wanted it... Building plugins outside the vdr source tree with the new Makefile is something I bear with the "current mess". I'm no Makefile-guru, so I have to "live with it" and I can't contribute to this thing at all. My personal development environment is a "vdr source tree with plugins". If I do development on a vdr-patch, I just call "make" and have the output (and errors/warnings) of the compiler right there. If I work on a plugin I have a separate shell in the plugin's directory where I call "make". If it's ready for testing, I call "make all plugins" from the vdr directory. In the directory above ("..") I have a script which starts the current vdr with the settings for my development (other config directory etc.). Now a "make" compiles everything and I have to scroll a lot to get the warnings or errors. Perhaps we should talk about what targets are needed and what they should do. "Never touch a running system" only applies to productive environments, not for development. Without touching there would be no progress. So please stop "whining" and let's do some work together! Lars. _______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr