On Tuesday 01 June 2021 01:08:15 deloptes wrote: > William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > No purist here, good sir! I like whatever works; whatever works better, > > that will do. But I also like to feel that I am in control of my own > > system. Whenever pulseaudio no longer bothers me by taking over my sound > > system, then I might leave it there. > > > > If everything just worked, and I felt in control of my own system, then I > > would probably still be running Windoze or the rotten Apple. It isn't > > that I set out to be "pure" with some preconceived notion; it just turns > > out that the things that bother me tend to fall predictably into the same > > few categories. > > > > At some point in the future, I may change my mind on this or that; > > otherwise, I will die and at last be freed from these infernal machines. > > IMO it is much harder to make things work without pulseaudio than with. I > have the same mindset as you do and I found out that reading pulseaudio > documentation and finding out why things do not work helped me a lot. > Few years ago I cam to the conclusion (it was PA 10 or 11) that the version > was very buggy, but developers fixed the issues in v12. I compiled v12 > myself and see all my problems were gone. Meanwhile with buster and PA v12 > all is fine (Except some minors around bluetooth). Now I hear v15 is on the > horizon, so you can imagine developers are not sleeping. > > Regarding PA taking control over your sound system. This is exactly how it > should work to benefit from PA. Let it go and enjoy. I am not advocating > for PA. I simply know it works just fine. > > We had also few discussions on the dev list with Michele regarding kmix. It > needs some adjustments, but it is not possible to do them right now. > Michele did some improvements based on the patches one other guy (I am > sorry I forgot the name) proposed. So for myself I found out the best is to > use the custom setting for the master channel on the pulseaudio mixer set > as default (sorry for the cyrillic) and for the fine tunning I use the ALSA > mixer and pavucontrol. pavucontrol can control the individual volume of > specific application (firefox, audio player etc), which kimix still can > not. pavucontrol can also control how Bluetooth (mobile phone) is handled > by the audio system. I don't use sound in any browser, ever. If I want music or a video, I download it, and listen/watch it on a media player. Also I do not use Bluetooth for anything at all. > > It indeed depends on the use cases, but more complex use cases require more > complex tools and I do not see a chance a purist can do them. In fact what > I see are advises based on 5y old experience with PA (perhaps version 10 or > earlier), which lead to even bigger issues and end up in loop of errors. You seem to allude to "problems" (I don't know if that's the right word) that are not obvious, or which I haven't yet experienced. I would be interested to know more, for future reference. As I say, alsa serves my needs at the moment, but I could change my mind. I am open to being convinced. > > Of course the machine and the choice is yours. > > I know that you guys are not the youngest and hope I could help with > sharing my experience. Well, just from the glance at your screenshot, that is basically what I see in Kmix with pulseaudio as the soundcard. And if that's what you want, it's fine, but I like to see all the controls available. As an occasional working musician, I like to play around with all the possibilities of channels; for me, Kmix and alsamixer show me the information that I want. And for recording, of course, I use audacity, which again I find (for my own needs) works best with alsa. I do not cling to fixed opinions, nor am I fearful of change; but I do want my machines to do what I want. Otherwise, it gets in the way of what I really want to be doing. My machine is supposed to be a tool that facilitates what I am doing. Ideally I would like to just have various presets already configured, so that I can just push a button and start recording - sort of like it used to be back in the good old days. And while I may be an oldster, it's true, I am a young oldster. Most people my age, and many who are 20 years younger, would have a hard time keeping up with me. (But only if I have had my sleep, and some coffee, and a few hours to ease into the day, which usually begins sometime in the afternoon. And then, once I get myself together ... we're off!) ;-) Bill ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
