This is a combined reply to Slavek, David and Michael :) None of these "for free" or "for little fee" platform/companies will make [TDE-ORG] a legal entity. It's quite the contary: Now Tim is the legal burdon-carrier. The moment TDE leaves his nest, it's on it's own. In the worst case this is a fork - with possible the consequence of loosing TDE as a trademark and name. Having mentioned trademark: in Austria trademarks are quite cheep, I remember I payed € 250.- for 10 years, but trademarks are given to legal entities, not projects. The moment [TDE-ORG] takes money, it needs to be a legal entity. Again, now it's Tim. If [TDE-ORG] wants to move away from busfactor=1 to e.g. busfactor=6, then 6 people will need to form a legal entity. Where that entity is located is essential in almost any sense: copyright, legal satatus, tax, domain, ... I strongly suggest that everybody tries to figure out his/her countries legal situation concerning NGOs/association and the like. EU is not that unified as it might appear. There is a list of must-haves: - VAT exemption, aka 0% VAT rate. - no tax requirement if income (in minus out) is lower € XXX (which happens to be ~ 5500.- in Austria) - simple bookkeeping requirements (in, out) - who is allowed to be board member (Austria: everybody AFAIK) ANd stay away from US legislation :) Nik Anno domini 2020 Fri, 24 Apr 09:36:34 -0500 Michael scripsit: > On Friday 24 April 2020 01:15:14 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2020 Fri, 24 Apr 04:17:12 +0200 > > the legal implications. A professinal bookkeeper for a costs you ~ 300.- / > > year for simple bookkeeping (again: Austria) - that is, if you feel > > overhelmed with dooing simple bookkeeping yourself. If going for legal, how > > should these companies handle local laws? To which laws ate they bound? > > What's with VAT? > > > > civicrm.org --> US > > backdropcms.org --> US > > opencollective.com --> US > > stripe.com --> UK > > > > Choos your poison. > > Ah, I see I didn't transfer my thoughts well :( > > civicrm.org and backdropcms.org are free platforms that can be used to > replicate an Open Collective reporting system. The jurisdiction of either > has nothing to do with [TDE-ORG] (or any of their other users). The rates > were PayPal, those rates don’t apply to checks and any other monies that can > be processed by the bank the [TDE-ORG] checking account is with. > > They are both what I am moving my own site and the vast majority of my clients > to in preparations for Drupal 7 going end of life in November 2021. (It may > claim to be for NGOs, but it’s also used by commercial entities for it’s > completeness of functions.) > > My unwritten assumption was that I was the one > building/hosting/upgrading/managing the civicrm and backdropcms site, hence > it was ‘free’ to the [TDE-ORG]. The other unwritten bits were that civicrm > is able to replace much of the scattered functions TDE has today into a > single, integrated, space. [1] > > [TDE-ORG] would need at least: > > - legal status as a non-profit > - checking account(s) > > [TDE-ORG] could use: > > - someone who can read and do simple math for a tax return > > Creating [TDE-ORG] as a non-profit is not exceptionally difficult (even in the > US [2]), it’s just a matter of reading, filling out forms, and paying a > filing fee. If we even need help with that, we can ask any other Linux/tech > related NGO questions. > > Best, > Michael > > [1] The CiviCRM User Guide: > Note: It needs a much better TOC, the ‘Next’ topic link is bottom-right on the > page. > https://docs.civicrm.org/user/en/latest/introduction/what-is-civicrm/ > > [2] Huh, the Amazon Smile thing seems to only be for USA based non-profits? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting > > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
