On Saturday 18 August 2018 07:12:16 pm Slávek Banko wrote: > On Sunday 19 of August 2018 04:08:57 Michael wrote: > > On Saturday 18 August 2018 12:27:53 pm Slávek Banko wrote: > > > On Saturday 18 of August 2018 18:29:52 Michael wrote: > > > > On Friday 17 August 2018 02:18:41 pm deloptes wrote: > > > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > > Whatever the correct instructions are, is being forced to > > > > > > upgrade from say ‘7.x - wheezy’ to ‘9.x - stretch’ accurate? > > > > > > But, that does seem to directly conflict with the information > > > > > > presented in “1.1 R14.0.x series,” which implies I can stay on > > > > > > ‘7.x - wheezy’ and install R14x. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > you can use TDE 14.X with whatever underlaying linux > > > > > distribution. The condition is that tde should be compiled > > > > > against the packages/libraries of this distribution. > > > > > So watch out to add the correct sources to the source lists. > > > > > > > > > > As far as upgrade is concerned in debian it is not safe to skip a > > > > > version - example wheezy -> stretch is risky and not recommended. > > > > > What debian recommends is wheezy -> jessie -> stretch. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you do - the TDE source list should match the distro > > > > > version. > > > > > > > > > > I hope it helps > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > PS: regarding changing wiki - if you don't want or don't have > > > > > permissions to do it, provide detailed instruction what you think > > > > > needs to be changed. I couldn't understand exactly what you mean > > > > > at first reading. > > > > > > > > Hi Del, > > > > > > > > I can change the wiki, I don't know what to change it to ;) > > > > > > > > My background is 95% CentOS with 5% Ubuntu 14.04 as a test of a > > > > 'more convenient' working environment. > > > > > > > > Based upon what you've said, then yes there is a serious problem > > > > with the Debian wiki page as the instructions as given (AKAIU) are > > > > going to upgrade their distribution instead of just upgrading their > > > > TDE version. > > > > > > > > This section from the Debian Aptitude instruction page, also > > > > explicitly states not to use 'full-upgrade,' so again the > > > > instructions on TDE Debian Wiki are almost guaranteed to be > > > > 'wrong.' > > > > > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > > > How to upgrade your distribution > > > > > > > > Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to > > > > Squeeze) is done by following the release notes for your > > > > architecture. For most people with 32 bit systems that means the > > > > Release Notes for Intel x86. For most with 64 bit systems that > > > > means the Release Notes for AMD64. > > > > > > > > Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the > > > > recommended practice (unless you are running sid, in which case you > > > > should not need to be reading this.) > > > > > > > > Minor release upgrades (e.g. from lenny 5.0.1 to 5.0.2) and > > > > security updates are done with safe-upgrade. > > > > > > > > Find out the current version of Debian that you are running: > > > > > > > > $ cat /etc/debian_version > > > > > > > > Example for upgrading from, e.g., etch 4.0r1 to 4.0r2 ...etc., or > > > > applying security upgrades: > > > > > > > > # aptitude update > > > > # aptitude safe-upgrade > > > > > > > > Looking at the Ubuntu page, the same 'error' has been published: > > > > > > > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installat > > > >ion_ Instructions 6.2 Upgrading from an existing R14.0.x or > > > > v3.5.13.x installation sudo aptitude full-upgrade > > > > > > > > # # # # # > > > > > > > > At my level of 'aptitude' knowledge, I can tell the instructions as > > > > given are almost guaranteed to be erroneous, and very liable to > > > > cause some serious ill will, but what the correct instructions for > > > > 'aptitude' systems should be is beyond me. Therefore: > > > > > > > > Would someone go 'fix' all the TDE 'aptitude' Wiki pages? > > > > > > > > Or, if the TDE instructions as given are correct, then explain the > > > > discrepancies with published 'aptitude' sources? > > > > > > > > Best and Thanks, > > > > Michael > > > > > > Your information here looks very confusing. > > > > > > Using aptitude full-upgrade does not mean that it cause update from > > > one version of distribution to another. Using aptitude full-upgrade > > > certainly does not mean that it would cause that Debian 7.x will be > > > updated to Debian 9.x. It always depends on what version is listed in > > > sources.list! > > > > > > If wheezy is listed in source.list then aptitude full-upgrade will > > > only update packages within Debian 7.x. No Debian 9.x package comes > > > on board. You must have your sources.list in order. For example, you > > > can not use TDE packages for Stretch if your distribution is Wheezy. > > > > > > The use of aptitude full-upgrade is quite right here, because in the > > > case of update from TDE 3.5.13.x to TDE R14.0.x, there is a great > > > change to the version and installation of many new packages. For this > > > case, aptitude safe-upgrade is unusable. > > > > > > In case of updating to R14.0.5 from previous R14.0.x here is a new > > > package tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity, which will be separated from > > > package tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity. That's why it's good to use > > > aptitude full-upgrade for upgrade to R14.0.5. > > > > > > That's why I do not see anything wrong with the instructions on the > > > Wiki. Using aptitude full-upgrade is definitely not an error. On the > > > contrary, sometimes it is necessary. The warnings placed on the wiki > > > therefore seem to me very confusing and wrong. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Hi Slávek, > > > > Apologies if my lack of knowledge of aptitude based distributions is > > hindering this discussion. > > > > So, let’s see if I can shorten this to just 3 yes/no questions for > > foundation clarity... > > > > > Doesn’t full-upgrade upgrade the distribution to the next major > > > version? > > > > Reference: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html > > “such as the change from one major Debian version to the next, you need > > to use apt full-upgrade” > > > > > By using “sudo aptitude full-upgrade” for “Upgrading from an existing > > > > R14.0.x” will it not upgrade both TDE and also distribution upgrade > > Ubuntu? > > > > Context: > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ > >Instructions#Upgrading_from_an_existing_R14.0.x_or_v3.5.13.x_installatio > >n > > > > If both answers are yes, then the TDE ‘aptitude’ wiki pages are > > erroneous as written. (As they are telling the user to both upgrade > > TDE and to do a distribution major version upgrade, when the user may > > only wish to upgrade TDE.) > > > > > Doesn’t Debian specifically say not to use full-upgrade for a > > > distribution > > > > upgrade? > > > > Reference: https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > “Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to Squeeze) > > is done by following the release notes for your architecture.” > > “Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the > > recommended practice” > > > > Okay, this is a bit contradictory to the prior Debian handbook > > information, but if this answer is yes, then again the wiki pages are > > erroneous as written. As they should have links to the various > > distribution release notes. > > > > # # # > > > > The answers to those 3 questions will give us a mutual foundation for > > me to clarify what I’m trying address. > > > > Best, > > Michael > > > > PS: If the answers are no, then my entire understanding of > > dist-upgrade (now an alias for full-upgrade) seems to be erroneous, as > > doesn’t the dist-upgrade/full-upgrade process itself update your > > source.list to the next major distribution version so it can do the > > distribution upgrade? > > Hi Michael, > > 1) aptitude full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade) does not make any changes to > sources.list. If you do not make the change yourself, no distribution > version change will be made. > > 2) The aptitude documentation says that when you change the distribution > version (which must be done by the user itself), it is necessary to use > aptitude full-upgrade. But that does not mean that aptitude full-upgrade > can not be used in other situations. > > 3) The recommendation to use aptitude full-upgrade on TDE Wiki is > perfectly fine. This will not cause a change of distribution version, but > will provide an easy transition when renaming packages, split packages, > and so on. > > Cheers +1 hopefully not adding to any confusion. "upgrade" upgrades all packages except those that require NEW packages to be installed to satisfy dependancies..hence the "held back" message. dist-upgrade or full-upgrade will satisfy all dependancies and install new packages if required. but, all work from the sources.list, third party apps, ie. google, manage their repo in sources.d directory. greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
