On Sunday 19 of August 2018 04:08:57 Michael wrote: > On Saturday 18 August 2018 12:27:53 pm Slávek Banko wrote: > > On Saturday 18 of August 2018 18:29:52 Michael wrote: > > > On Friday 17 August 2018 02:18:41 pm deloptes wrote: > > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > Whatever the correct instructions are, is being forced to > > > > > upgrade from say ‘7.x - wheezy’ to ‘9.x - stretch’ accurate? > > > > > But, that does seem to directly conflict with the information > > > > > presented in “1.1 R14.0.x series,” which implies I can stay on > > > > > ‘7.x - wheezy’ and install R14x. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > you can use TDE 14.X with whatever underlaying linux > > > > distribution. The condition is that tde should be compiled > > > > against the packages/libraries of this distribution. > > > > So watch out to add the correct sources to the source lists. > > > > > > > > As far as upgrade is concerned in debian it is not safe to skip a > > > > version - example wheezy -> stretch is risky and not recommended. > > > > What debian recommends is wheezy -> jessie -> stretch. > > > > > > > > Whatever you do - the TDE source list should match the distro > > > > version. > > > > > > > > I hope it helps > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > PS: regarding changing wiki - if you don't want or don't have > > > > permissions to do it, provide detailed instruction what you think > > > > needs to be changed. I couldn't understand exactly what you mean > > > > at first reading. > > > > > > Hi Del, > > > > > > I can change the wiki, I don't know what to change it to ;) > > > > > > My background is 95% CentOS with 5% Ubuntu 14.04 as a test of a > > > 'more convenient' working environment. > > > > > > Based upon what you've said, then yes there is a serious problem > > > with the Debian wiki page as the instructions as given (AKAIU) are > > > going to upgrade their distribution instead of just upgrading their > > > TDE version. > > > > > > This section from the Debian Aptitude instruction page, also > > > explicitly states not to use 'full-upgrade,' so again the > > > instructions on TDE Debian Wiki are almost guaranteed to be > > > 'wrong.' > > > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > > How to upgrade your distribution > > > > > > Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to > > > Squeeze) is done by following the release notes for your > > > architecture. For most people with 32 bit systems that means the > > > Release Notes for Intel x86. For most with 64 bit systems that > > > means the Release Notes for AMD64. > > > > > > Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the > > > recommended practice (unless you are running sid, in which case you > > > should not need to be reading this.) > > > > > > Minor release upgrades (e.g. from lenny 5.0.1 to 5.0.2) and > > > security updates are done with safe-upgrade. > > > > > > Find out the current version of Debian that you are running: > > > > > > $ cat /etc/debian_version > > > > > > Example for upgrading from, e.g., etch 4.0r1 to 4.0r2 ...etc., or > > > applying security upgrades: > > > > > > # aptitude update > > > # aptitude safe-upgrade > > > > > > Looking at the Ubuntu page, the same 'error' has been published: > > > > > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installat > > >ion_ Instructions 6.2 Upgrading from an existing R14.0.x or > > > v3.5.13.x installation sudo aptitude full-upgrade > > > > > > # # # # # > > > > > > At my level of 'aptitude' knowledge, I can tell the instructions as > > > given are almost guaranteed to be erroneous, and very liable to > > > cause some serious ill will, but what the correct instructions for > > > 'aptitude' systems should be is beyond me. Therefore: > > > > > > Would someone go 'fix' all the TDE 'aptitude' Wiki pages? > > > > > > Or, if the TDE instructions as given are correct, then explain the > > > discrepancies with published 'aptitude' sources? > > > > > > Best and Thanks, > > > Michael > > > > Your information here looks very confusing. > > > > Using aptitude full-upgrade does not mean that it cause update from > > one version of distribution to another. Using aptitude full-upgrade > > certainly does not mean that it would cause that Debian 7.x will be > > updated to Debian 9.x. It always depends on what version is listed in > > sources.list! > > > > If wheezy is listed in source.list then aptitude full-upgrade will > > only update packages within Debian 7.x. No Debian 9.x package comes > > on board. You must have your sources.list in order. For example, you > > can not use TDE packages for Stretch if your distribution is Wheezy. > > > > The use of aptitude full-upgrade is quite right here, because in the > > case of update from TDE 3.5.13.x to TDE R14.0.x, there is a great > > change to the version and installation of many new packages. For this > > case, aptitude safe-upgrade is unusable. > > > > In case of updating to R14.0.5 from previous R14.0.x here is a new > > package tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity, which will be separated from > > package tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity. That's why it's good to use > > aptitude full-upgrade for upgrade to R14.0.5. > > > > That's why I do not see anything wrong with the instructions on the > > Wiki. Using aptitude full-upgrade is definitely not an error. On the > > contrary, sometimes it is necessary. The warnings placed on the wiki > > therefore seem to me very confusing and wrong. > > > > Cheers > > Hi Slávek, > > Apologies if my lack of knowledge of aptitude based distributions is > hindering this discussion. > > So, let’s see if I can shorten this to just 3 yes/no questions for > foundation clarity... > > > Doesn’t full-upgrade upgrade the distribution to the next major > > version? > > Reference: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html > “such as the change from one major Debian version to the next, you need > to use apt full-upgrade” > > > By using “sudo aptitude full-upgrade” for “Upgrading from an existing > > R14.0.x” will it not upgrade both TDE and also distribution upgrade > Ubuntu? > > Context: > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ >Instructions#Upgrading_from_an_existing_R14.0.x_or_v3.5.13.x_installatio >n > > If both answers are yes, then the TDE ‘aptitude’ wiki pages are > erroneous as written. (As they are telling the user to both upgrade > TDE and to do a distribution major version upgrade, when the user may > only wish to upgrade TDE.) > > > Doesn’t Debian specifically say not to use full-upgrade for a > > distribution > > upgrade? > > Reference: https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > “Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to Squeeze) > is done by following the release notes for your architecture.” > “Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the > recommended practice” > > Okay, this is a bit contradictory to the prior Debian handbook > information, but if this answer is yes, then again the wiki pages are > erroneous as written. As they should have links to the various > distribution release notes. > > # # # > > The answers to those 3 questions will give us a mutual foundation for > me to clarify what I’m trying address. > > Best, > Michael > > PS: If the answers are no, then my entire understanding of > dist-upgrade (now an alias for full-upgrade) seems to be erroneous, as > doesn’t the dist-upgrade/full-upgrade process itself update your > source.list to the next major distribution version so it can do the > distribution upgrade? > > Hi Michael, 1) aptitude full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade) does not make any changes to sources.list. If you do not make the change yourself, no distribution version change will be made. 2) The aptitude documentation says that when you change the distribution version (which must be done by the user itself), it is necessary to use aptitude full-upgrade. But that does not mean that aptitude full-upgrade can not be used in other situations. 3) The recommendation to use aptitude full-upgrade on TDE Wiki is perfectly fine. This will not cause a change of distribution version, but will provide an easy transition when renaming packages, split packages, and so on. Cheers -- Slávek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
