On Saturday 18 August 2018 12:27:53 pm Slávek Banko wrote: > On Saturday 18 of August 2018 18:29:52 Michael wrote: > > On Friday 17 August 2018 02:18:41 pm deloptes wrote: > > > Michael wrote: > > > > Whatever the correct instructions are, is being forced to upgrade > > > > from say ‘7.x - wheezy’ to ‘9.x - stretch’ accurate? But, that > > > > does seem to directly conflict with the information presented in > > > > “1.1 R14.0.x series,” which implies I can stay on ‘7.x - wheezy’ > > > > and install R14x. > > > > > > Hi, > > > you can use TDE 14.X with whatever underlaying linux distribution. > > > The condition is that tde should be compiled against the > > > packages/libraries of this distribution. > > > So watch out to add the correct sources to the source lists. > > > > > > As far as upgrade is concerned in debian it is not safe to skip a > > > version - example wheezy -> stretch is risky and not recommended. > > > What debian recommends is wheezy -> jessie -> stretch. > > > > > > Whatever you do - the TDE source list should match the distro > > > version. > > > > > > I hope it helps > > > > > > regards > > > > > > PS: regarding changing wiki - if you don't want or don't have > > > permissions to do it, provide detailed instruction what you think > > > needs to be changed. I couldn't understand exactly what you mean at > > > first reading. > > > > Hi Del, > > > > I can change the wiki, I don't know what to change it to ;) > > > > My background is 95% CentOS with 5% Ubuntu 14.04 as a test of a 'more > > convenient' working environment. > > > > Based upon what you've said, then yes there is a serious problem with > > the Debian wiki page as the instructions as given (AKAIU) are going to > > upgrade their distribution instead of just upgrading their TDE version. > > > > This section from the Debian Aptitude instruction page, also explicitly > > states not to use 'full-upgrade,' so again the instructions on TDE > > Debian Wiki are almost guaranteed to be 'wrong.' > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > How to upgrade your distribution > > > > Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to Squeeze) > > is done by following the release notes for your architecture. For most > > people with 32 bit systems that means the Release Notes for Intel x86. > > For most with 64 bit systems that means the Release Notes for AMD64. > > > > Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the > > recommended practice (unless you are running sid, in which case you > > should not need to be reading this.) > > > > Minor release upgrades (e.g. from lenny 5.0.1 to 5.0.2) and security > > updates are done with safe-upgrade. > > > > Find out the current version of Debian that you are running: > > > > $ cat /etc/debian_version > > > > Example for upgrading from, e.g., etch 4.0r1 to 4.0r2 ...etc., or > > applying security upgrades: > > > > # aptitude update > > # aptitude safe-upgrade > > > > Looking at the Ubuntu page, the same 'error' has been published: > > > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ > >Instructions 6.2 Upgrading from an existing R14.0.x or v3.5.13.x > > installation sudo aptitude full-upgrade > > > > # # # # # > > > > At my level of 'aptitude' knowledge, I can tell the instructions as > > given are almost guaranteed to be erroneous, and very liable to cause > > some serious ill will, but what the correct instructions for 'aptitude' > > systems should be is beyond me. Therefore: > > > > Would someone go 'fix' all the TDE 'aptitude' Wiki pages? > > > > Or, if the TDE instructions as given are correct, then explain the > > discrepancies with published 'aptitude' sources? > > > > Best and Thanks, > > Michael > > Your information here looks very confusing. > > Using aptitude full-upgrade does not mean that it cause update from one > version of distribution to another. Using aptitude full-upgrade certainly > does not mean that it would cause that Debian 7.x will be updated to > Debian 9.x. It always depends on what version is listed in sources.list! > > If wheezy is listed in source.list then aptitude full-upgrade will only > update packages within Debian 7.x. No Debian 9.x package comes on board. > You must have your sources.list in order. For example, you can not use > TDE packages for Stretch if your distribution is Wheezy. > > The use of aptitude full-upgrade is quite right here, because in the case > of update from TDE 3.5.13.x to TDE R14.0.x, there is a great change to > the version and installation of many new packages. For this case, > aptitude safe-upgrade is unusable. > > In case of updating to R14.0.5 from previous R14.0.x here is a new package > tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity, which will be separated from package > tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity. That's why it's good to use aptitude > full-upgrade for upgrade to R14.0.5. > > That's why I do not see anything wrong with the instructions on the Wiki. > Using aptitude full-upgrade is definitely not an error. On the contrary, > sometimes it is necessary. The warnings placed on the wiki therefore seem > to me very confusing and wrong. > > Cheers Hi Slávek, Apologies if my lack of knowledge of aptitude based distributions is hindering this discussion. So, let’s see if I can shorten this to just 3 yes/no questions for foundation clarity... > Doesn’t full-upgrade upgrade the distribution to the next major version? Reference: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html “such as the change from one major Debian version to the next, you need to use apt full-upgrade” > By using “sudo aptitude full-upgrade” for “Upgrading from an existing R14.0.x” will it not upgrade both TDE and also distribution upgrade Ubuntu? Context: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions#Upgrading_from_an_existing_R14.0.x_or_v3.5.13.x_installation If both answers are yes, then the TDE ‘aptitude’ wiki pages are erroneous as written. (As they are telling the user to both upgrade TDE and to do a distribution major version upgrade, when the user may only wish to upgrade TDE.) > Doesn’t Debian specifically say not to use full-upgrade for a distribution upgrade? Reference: https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude “Upgrading from one stable release to the next (e.g. Lenny to Squeeze) is done by following the release notes for your architecture.” “Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events is no longer the recommended practice” Okay, this is a bit contradictory to the prior Debian handbook information, but if this answer is yes, then again the wiki pages are erroneous as written. As they should have links to the various distribution release notes. # # # The answers to those 3 questions will give us a mutual foundation for me to clarify what I’m trying address. Best, Michael PS: If the answers are no, then my entire understanding of dist-upgrade (now an alias for full-upgrade) seems to be erroneous, as doesn’t the dist-upgrade/full-upgrade process itself update your source.list to the next major distribution version so it can do the distribution upgrade? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
