Hi All, Based upon many valuable comments and shared thoughts from this list, I’m find myself in the anti systemd group. With this pretty much being the best, non-biased, comparison of Debian (or any systemd OS) and Devuan (e.g. a non systemd OS) that I found to solidify my opinions on systemd: https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/ Do Note: The author does use an [overly] dramatic introduction, so please do read all 878 words of his article. I believe you’ll find the considerations his conclusion brings up well worth the 5-10 minutes of your time it takes to get there. And then Bill commented in another thread: On Sunday 05 August 2018 11:48:18 am William Morder wrote: > I've never been able to do a > successful installation directly from a Devuan disc, but must install > Debian, then Devuan, then TDE, then uninstall LibreOffice and install > OpenOffice, etc. And cannot do net install here, so I need to use a live > disc. If my circumstances were different, then I would probably take a > different approach. Which lead me to this: Linked From: https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros > Exe GNU/Linux > Devuan-based Live Linux Images with Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) > https://sourceforge.net/projects/exegnulinux/ > > Exe GNU/Linux live images are based on Devuan and use Trinity > Desktop Environment (TDE). Versions for i386 and amd64 are available. > see [1] also Bill might this solve your issue(s)? Now finally my question(s)... :) - Is anyone using Devuan 2.0.0 (ASCII) w/ TDE installed? - - If so any issues? Ah, never mind the next Q: “Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian’s, should NOT be used directly.” - Can external (deb?/ppa?) packages be added to Devuan similar to Ubuntu? - - Would you use the corresponding Debian release? Example: > # cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list > # This file makes sure that Opera Browser is kept up-to-date > # as part of regular system upgrades > > deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases) - So the only choice for Opera, LibreOffice, etc., is to manually install from a downloaded .deb? Okay, last question... >From the standpoint of wanting the leanest system possible with only software I’ve specifically installed: - Would it make the most sense to install the Exe GNU/Linux above, then upgrade in place to Devuan 2 and then TDE R14.0.5? - Or is there a way to install just a bare bones, console only Devuan? I do the second with dedicated servers under CentOS 6 all the time, but it’s the hosting firm that’s doing the initial system build to ‘base’ (and of course each likes to call it a different name, ‘base,’ ‘bare,’ ‘init’), which has much less overhead than the published RH/CentOS ‘minimal’ install profile. So, I’m guessing it can be done, but the Devuan website doesn’t have much beyond how to do a ‘full’ install. If the second method is the way to go, does anyone have a favorite write up on how it’s done with Debian I can use to guide me through doing the same with Devuan? Best and Thanks! Michel [1] Referential Note: https://sourceforge.net/p/exegnulinux/discussion/general/thread/fdff84f2/?limit=25#06ff Mike Hunt - 2018-05-05 Hello, I have been running this distro for a while now, but after some months became puzzled over why I didn't receive any single update. I found out that Devuan's Update and Security repos were not added anywhere; after adding them the updates tickled in. Is this an oversight? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
