On 08/05/2018 06:57 PM, Michael wrote:
Hi All,
Based upon many valuable comments and shared thoughts from this list, I’m find
myself in the anti systemd group.
With this pretty much being the best, non-biased, comparison of Debian (or any
systemd OS) and Devuan (e.g. a non systemd OS) that I found to solidify my
opinions on systemd:
https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/
Do Note: The author does use an [overly] dramatic introduction, so please do
read all 878 words of his article. I believe you’ll find the considerations
his conclusion brings up well worth the 5-10 minutes of your time it takes to
get there.
Welcome Michael!
Yes indeed upstream linux is a fright, could cause some to switch to
Slackware. ;) Yes, the promise of faster startup & shutdown and we get
"wait 1:30 for process to complete".
Things Devuan could use some help with are, having its own kernel, its
own certs, maybe even a host file, etc. Never enough security.
And then Bill commented in another thread:
On Sunday 05 August 2018 11:48:18 am William Morder wrote:
I've never been able to do a
successful installation directly from a Devuan disc, but must install
Debian, then Devuan, then TDE, then uninstall LibreOffice and install
OpenOffice, etc. And cannot do net install here, so I need to use a live
disc. If my circumstances were different, then I would probably take a
different approach.
Which lead me to this:
Linked From: https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros
Exe GNU/Linux
Devuan-based Live Linux Images with Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/exegnulinux/
Exe GNU/Linux live images are based on Devuan and use Trinity
Desktop Environment (TDE). Versions for i386 and amd64 are available.
see [1] also
Bill might this solve your issue(s)?
I install using the ASCII net-install iso and it's just the core install
with No added packages. Reboot, update, add TDE repos, update, install
TDE key, install TDE and any other packages I want. Now I can ctrl+d to
user and $ startx.
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ stretch main-r14 deps-r14
deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib
non-free
deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free
Now finally my question(s)... :)
- Is anyone using Devuan 2.0.0 (ASCII) w/ TDE installed?
- - If so any issues?
For me and other HDMI audio/video users there have been bugs, but recent
updates seem to have solved those bugs. These HDMI bugs effect all
linux of the same version from what I see, Slackware 14.2, Debian
Stretch or Devuan ASCII. But things are much better now. Things are
getting better all the time.. I use Devuan Jessie or Slackware 14.0
it's the most stable for my audio/video. But you will find TDE on ASCII
very nice, I'm using it now fully updated watching a movie on my
multimedia computer on the big screen smart tv and it's working swell
and typing this post on this computer with no problems. :)
Ah, never mind the next Q:
“Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including
Debian’s, should NOT be used directly.”
- Can external (deb?/ppa?) packages be added to Devuan similar to Ubuntu?
- - Would you use the corresponding Debian release?
Example:
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list
# This file makes sure that Opera Browser is kept up-to-date
# as part of regular system upgrades
deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser
(final releases)
- So the only choice for Opera, LibreOffice, etc., is to manually install from
a downloaded .deb?
Do what you think you have to do. :) You can use 'gdebi' to install
downloaded packages or use 'dpkg'.
Okay, last question...
From the standpoint of wanting the leanest system possible with only software
I’ve specifically installed:
- Would it make the most sense to install the Exe GNU/Linux above, then
upgrade in place to Devuan 2 and then TDE R14.0.5?
- Or is there a way to install just a bare bones, console only Devuan?
I covered this above, but Exe Linux is another way to go but not needed
an defiantly not bare bones.
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - Trinity TDE-R14.0.5 - Intel P8400 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263
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