----- Original Message -----
From: "Slávek Banko" <slavek.banko@xxxxxxx>
To: "TDE Devels" <devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Status of TDE ARK timestamp for files in ZIP
archive.
"ark-trinity 4:14.1.0~s211-0debian11.0.0+10~a"
--> This suggests you're using a KDE4 version of ARK which doesn't have
that problem. Unfortunately, KDE4 ARK doesn't work well with a KDE3.5
GUI and a KDE4/KDE5 GUI is very inflexible and unfriendly.
Ale, you misunderstood the name and version number. While RPM packages
François creates so that "trinity-" is prefix, DEB packages are created so
that "-trinity" is suffix. Therefore, package "ark-trinity" clearly is not
KDE4 package. Leading "4:" in version number means "epoch", followed
by "14.1.0~s...", which corresponds to the version of the TDE.
How does "ark-trinity 4:14.1.0~s211-0debian11.0.0+10~a" relate to
"trinity-ark-14.0.10-1.oss151.x86_64.rpm"?
Of course, DEB package is not related to the RPM package. There was
mentioned to have information, on which version Nik did the test.
"But this has been fixed ages ago, can't even remeber that beeing an
issue." --> It hasn't been fixed for KDE3.5 ARK, which is "supported" by
OpenSuse, where "supported" means they only make the packages available
but don't keep them updated.
Since TDE is the continuation of KDE3.5 and originally was KDE3.5,
including its look and feel, ease of use, and source code, I was
inquiring if this problem had been fixed at some point in TDE. I could
then see if I could replace the part of the source code in the KDE 3.5
RPM that has the problem with the corresponding source code that's been
fixed in TDE, and compile a KDE3.5 ARK that doesn't have the problem.
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Yes, because there was the same basis, here it can be viable to take
patches from TDE and add them to KDE 3.5.x, which is balmed in SUSE. You
can notice that some TDE patch is already used in SUSE kdeutils3. The best
source for TDE patches is to look into the git repository:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdeutils/
Note: At first glance, I do not see any patch that seemed to be related to
the problem you ask - in TDE or SUSE.
Cheers
--
Slávek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Status of TDE ARK timestamp for files in ZIP
archive.
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 09:43:00 -0700
Alec Destry scripsit:
[...]
>> Since TDE is the continuation of KDE3.5 and originally was KDE3.5,
>> including
>> its look and feel, ease of use, and source code, I was inquiring if
>> this
>> problem had been fixed at some point in TDE. I could then see if I
>> could
>> replace the part of the source code in the KDE 3.5 RPM that has the
>> problem
>> with the corresponding source code that's been fixed in TDE, and
>> compile
>> a
>> KDE3.5 ARK that doesn't have the problem.
>
> Why? Just use TDE :)
>
> Nik
>
Certainly, if it were setup so that it would have the exact same look and
feel, and functionality, that I need, as the KDE3.5 I'm currently using
for
everyday work. My experience is that takes a lot of time, no matter what
GUI desktop you choose. It becomes a problem if installing TDE requires
that I remove the KDE3.5 I'm currently using for everyday work.
Well, set up a VM and try if you can migrate your configuration. Don't
know what is the special thing you need to configure, but you might post
what you try to accomplish :)
Nik
----- Original Message -----
From: "E. Liddell" <ejlddll@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Status of TDE ARK timestamp for files in ZIP
archive.
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:43:00 -0700
"Alec Destry" <xode@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <devels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: Status of TDE ARK timestamp for files in ZIP
archive.
> Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 01:16:01 -0700
> Alec Destry scripsit:
>>[...]
>> "ark-trinity 4:14.1.0~s211-0debian11.0.0+10~a"
>> --> This suggests you're using a KDE4 version of ARK which doesn't
>> have
>> that
>> problem. Unfortunately, KDE4 ARK doesn't work well with a KDE3.5 GUI
>> and
>> a
>> KDE4/KDE5 GUI is very inflexible and unfriendly.
>>
>> How does "ark-trinity 4:14.1.0~s211-0debian11.0.0+10~a" relate to
>> "trinity-ark-14.0.10-1.oss151.x86_64.rpm"?
>
> Definitly no KDE4 :)
> 14.1.X is the dev version, 14.0.X is the "normal" version.
So, you're stating this problem has been fixed for
trinity-ark-14.0.10-1.oss151.src.rpm and I could download that? Then, I
could look for the corresponding source code for ARK there, replace the
part
of the source code in the KDE 3.5 RPM that has the problem with that from
TDE, and compile a KDE3.5 ARK that doesn't have the problem?
The problem has been fixed since at least TDE version 14.0.8, possibly
earlier, so yes, that RPM should contain the fixes if it contains the full
source. Alternatively, you can pull the appropriate source package from
http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/releases/R14.0.10/main/core/tdeutils-trinity-14.0.10.tar.xz
or use git to examine only the files that interest you:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeutils/src/branch/master/ark
Whether or not you can extract the relevant patches from the other
changes is another question, but you're welcome to try.
>> "But this has been fixed ages ago, can't even remeber that beeing an
>> issue."
>> --> It hasn't been fixed for KDE3.5 ARK, which is "supported" by
>> OpenSuse,
>> where "supported" means they only make the packages available but
>> don't
>> keep
>> them updated.
>
> TDE split from KDE ~ 10 years ago. KDE of OpenSuse does not relate to
> TDE.
>
That would be great if that were entirely true. Then, I would be able to
install TDE as a separate available desktop alongside the KDE3.5 desktop
I
currently have installed, and continue to use KDE3.5 for the everyday
work I
need to use it for, while I working through TDE and getting that set up
so
it has the exact same look and feel, and functionality, that I need, as
the
KDE3.5 I'm currently using for everyday work. Unfortunately, the TDE
documentation states that TDE can't be installed alongside KDE3.5, since
the
two are still enough alike that one would trash the other, unlike, for
example XFCE being installed alongside KDE3.5 where, at the login screen,
you could choose to start XFCE instead of KDE3.5. Or, is that no longer
true, and TDE could be installed alongside the KDE3.5 I'm currently
using?
It's complicated. You certainly can't install the standard precompiled
packages using your package manager without the possibility of
accidentally clobbering some things.
You might be able to make it work by compiling TDE from source,
installing to (if necessary) something other than the standard location,
and modifying the starttde and startkde scripts to manage PATH and
such so that the directories searched first for components match the
desktop you're using at the time. (This was the approach Gentoo used
to allow KDE3 and KDE4 to be installed side-by-side on the same
machine back in the day.)
You'd also have to back up your user configuration data, because
some of the TDE installation scripts will update the KDE3 data for
TDE's use.
If running both side-by-side sounds like something you really want
to do, I'd try it inside a VM first, or at least install first to a chroot
so
that you can check for file clobbers.
You can also use a plain TDE VM or live CD to test to see whether
or not any of the changes made since KDE3 will disrupt your workflow.
Part of the point of TDE has been not to make significant changes to
how the desktop works, though—there are a sprinkling of replacement
graphics, but few other visible changes.
E. Liddell
Thanks to everyone for responding. Please let me work my way through this.
I'll likely have more questions in more detail once I get further into this.
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