Hi, we've a problem with a user session getting killed by systemd although it shouldn't as far as we understand. We have a jupyterhub running on a SLES 15 SP4 server. When a users logs in (widh pam) and starts a server (which is just a jupyterlab process), jupyterhub spawns this server with sudo so that it runs with the user id. This call of sudo creates a login session that we can see with loginctl. The server keeps running as long as the browser tab is open. But when we close the browser, it takes about 25-35 minutes, then the server gets killed. The obvious reason (idle servers getting killed by jupyterhub after a while) is not responsible. It has been configured off and one can see in the journal that jupyterhub is the last to know that the users server dies. We've attached strace with microseconds timestamps to all processes for the user after he started his server (which is a sudospawner, the jupyterlab process, a (sd-pam) process and a "/usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user") and to the inital systemd process (pid 1). Comparing the timestamps we could see that the initial SIGTERM/SIGHUP signals indeed come from the root systemd process (pid 1). In the journal there was no entry that tells us why it happens. All of a sudden we get: May 15 14:03:33 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Stopping Session c30 of User biouser... May 15 14:03:33 bioserver3 systemd[1]: session-c30.scope: Deactivated successfully. May 15 14:03:33 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Stopped Session c30 of User biouser. and then the cleanup process starts for the user slice etc. When we changed the config to work without sudospawner (which is not a good solution, just for testing) then no own login session is created for the user, only the jupyterlab process gets started. And then it keeps running and does not get killed. So the problem only happens if the user process runs in its own login session that one can see with loginctl. Then we turned on debugging for systemd and then we find this in the journal: May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: home-b.automount: Got direct umount request on /home/b May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: home-b.mount: Trying to enqueue job home-b.mount/stop/replace May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: session-c77.scope: Installed new job session-c77.scope/stop as 220264 May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: home-b.mount: Installed new job home-b.mount/stop as 220263 May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: home-b.mount: Enqueued job home-b.mount/stop as 220263 May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/home_2db_2emount interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=Prope rtiesChanged cookie=4500 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/home_2db_2emount interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=PropertiesChanged cookie=4501 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/session_2dc77_2escope interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=PropertiesChanged cookie=4502 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/session_2dc77_2escope interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=PropertiesChanged cookie=4503 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1 interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager member=JobNew cookie=4504 reply_cookie=0 signature=uos error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1 interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager member=JobNew cookie=4505 reply_cookie=0 signature=uos error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: systemd-logind.service: Got notification message from PID 9246 (WATCHDOG=1) May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/session_2dc77_2escope interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=PropertiesChanged cookie=4506 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/session_2dc77_2escope interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=PropertiesChanged cookie=4507 reply_cookie=0 signature=sa{sv}as error-name=n/a error-message=n/a May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: session-c77.scope changed abandoned -> stop-sigterm May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: Stopping Session c77 of User biouser... May 16 12:25:38 bioserver3 systemd[1]: home-b.mount: stopping held back, waiting for: session-c77.scope ... The home of biouser is mounted like this in /etc/fstab: <server>:/b /home/b nfs4 defaults,proto=tcp6,rw,soft,bg,nfsvers=4,lock,noauto,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.idle-timeout=20min,x-systemd.mount-timeout=30s 0 0 So it seems that the idle-timeout for the mount kills the user session. That shouldn't happen if the user session is still running, the umount should react with "/home/b busy" and not kill the processes who are working on /home/b, I guess? And this happens only of there is a login session for the user and only if the browser window for jhub is closed. Otherwise /home/b is not considered idle. And it happens only on one server, not on a second jhub server, although they both are installed and configured identically (OS and jhub config). Is it a bug that systemd considers /home/b idle although a user with home /home/b/biouser still has a login session running? Or can it be configured somewhere? Thanks for any ideas or help! cu, Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner Web: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/ Lehrstuhl f. Bioinformatik Mail: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/m/ LMU, Amalienstr. 17 Phone: +49 89 2180-4049 80333 Muenchen, Germany Fax: +49 89 2180-99-4049 * Rekursion kann man erst verstehen, wenn man Rekursion verstanden hat. *