On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I've provided examples and personal stories in an attempt to give > incentive to change. Those are just stories; things that happened. What you need to provide is *evidence* that if the community changes, things will be better, and unless you have a study of series of collaborative groups like the Linux kernel, that demonstrates that suppressing swearing has a positive effect in the community, I'd say all you have is an *opinion*. > I cannot force on anyone the will to change, nor > would I want to. I cannot "manage" change in others. I can only > politely point out that the current community behavior does hurt other > people, and keep people from contributing. Which people have been hurt? Mauro? I would like to hear that from him. Another recipient of your stories was Rafael, and he already said he didn't feel personally attacked. I have also been a recipient of Linus' cursing, and I don't see any reason to change. But the more important question is; was the cursing justified? In the case of Mauro, it most definitely was, because as Linus mentioned; he broke the #1 rule of Linux, and that can't be tolerated from a lieutenant. So no, your stories don't prove that any people were hurt, justified or not. But even that is not important, what is important is; was the *project* hurt? I'd say you would need more than a couple of stories to prove that. > I'm not demanding change. I'm merely asking to discuss the possibly of > change at KS. Everything is possible, the question is not "*can* it change", the question is "*should* it change". And again, you need evidence to show that it should. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html