Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp <at> linux.intel.com> writes: > I've provided examples and personal stories in an attempt to give > incentive to change. I cannot force on anyone the will to change, nor > would I want to. I cannot "manage" change in others. I can only > politely point out that the current community behavior does hurt other > people, and keep people from contributing. > And you've been provided stories in response - that those who stayed in the end have seen the error of their ways and changed what they did, or did not mind Linus' cursing (even if in retrospective). And how it affected the quality of code. And that it was /rarely if ever/ a personal attack in their opinion. > The majority in the community never reacts well to minority voices in > the community asking for change. (Note, I'm talking a majority of > numbers, not a racial or gender minority.) > This is not a democracy, Linus is a BDFL ;) > Be creative. There are ways of expressing emotion without cussing. > Not everybody's 'ego filter' can be passed with a smiley. /Sometimes/ it needs to be rammed. Do we need rules to say when it should be? Maybe. Do you expect Linus and the Lieutenants to say: NAK DISCLAIMER: YOUR SUBMISSION AFFECTS QUALITY OF KERNEL/SUBSYSTEM CODE IN NEGATIVE WAY AND WILL HAVE UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES / HAS NOT BEEN TESTED ENOUGH, SO WE REFUSE TO USE IT UNTIL YOU SORT EVERY COMMENT OUT AND PROVIDE FIGURES OF TEST RESULTS. How is that different from calling someones idea f-words? Does it have the same effect as the f-words? Only that it doesn't trigger your email f-word filter. > So, in short, thank you for listening. We may disagree, but I > appreciate being listened to. > You do have a point from perspective of 'I write the code for the company, and my contribution is copyrighted/owned by the company too, but someone may read the history and get a bad idea of my professionalism, if emails to me/from me are seen containing f-word filter triggers or if someone in HR reading it thinks that I'm being bullied here'. > As I mentioned, I have changed much over the past six years. I suspect > this particular thread will change me, although over a longer period of > time, and in ways that may not be immediately obvious to the community. > I suspect the same will be true of changes in the community. > Well as philosophers say, sometimes everything has to change, for everything to remain the same. (others call it 'churn') > The point is that if no one stands up and asks for change, nothing will > change. I do not demand, I merely ask for people to consider change. > I second the request to 'cut down a bit on uncontrolled cursing' (for benefit of those unfortunate souls with f-word filters not-under-their-control or HR reading their emails.) > Sarah Sharp > Lukasz [Apologies if I cut too much context, GMANE Follow-up forces chars per line limit and counts what I wrote...] -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html