Any Idea as to what could be the issue - since the last post 2 days ago the memory footprint has increased by 1.2GB to 9424592Kb. With now 788561 hot objects (from 651556) The number of StoreEntry-pool objects (which I assume is the number of real objects in memory cache) has even decreased (from 173746 to 173624). I created a full dump of mgr:vm_objects and there I find 789431 KEYS (so in principle close to the number of hot objects). The question is: could we infer some information from this output? Here some statistics on those Objects: Distribution of 1st line after KEY: Count line1 718698 STORE_OK IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_DONE PING_DONE 63156 STORE_OK IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_DONE PING_NONE 7516 STORE_OK IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE 51 STORE_OK IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_NONE 6 STORE_OK NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE 3 STORE_PENDING NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE 1 STORE_PENDING NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_NONE Distribution of 2nd line after KEY: Count line2 515372 REVALIDATE,CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,VALIDATED 237538 CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,VALIDATED 28944 CACHABLE,VALIDATED 7048 CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,NEGCACHED,VALIDATED 468 REVALIDATE,CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,NEGCACHED,VALIDATED 51 SPECIAL,CACHABLE,VALIDATED 5 RELEASE_REQUEST,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,VALIDATED 2 REVALIDATE,RELEASE_REQUEST,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,VALIDATED 2 CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,FWD_HDR_WAIT,VALIDATED 1 DELAY_SENDING,RELEASE_REQUEST,PRIVATE,VALIDATED Here the count of objects that have the same URL: Obj_count number of URL occurences 720711 1 23276 2 2216 3 1134 4 588 5 283 6 214 7 111 8 72 9 70 10 81 11 37 12 30 13 21 14 4 15 2 16 3 17 5 18 10 19 1 20 1 21 1 22 2 25 2 28 (>1 would indicate a VARY policy is in place and we have multiple objects) Objects with vary_headers in object: 40591 If I sum up the "inmem_hi:" values I get: 2918369522, so 2.9GB. So it seems as if there must be some major overhead for those inmem objects... If I look at "locks, * clients, * refs" and there specifically at the refs value I get the following distribution: Obj_count ref_val 12240 0 592487 1 78355 2 25285 3 12901 4 8173 5 5787 6 4100 7 3143 8 2541 9 2318 10 1859 11 1725 12 1470 13 1275 14 1231 15 1042 16 867 17 853 18 723 19 643 20 669 21 631 22 574 23 496 24 469 25 431 26 423 27 464 28 394 29 357 30 368 31 350 32 315 33 330 34 280 35 299 36 239 37 264 38 218 39 ... 1 65000 1 65017 1 65028 1 65074 1 65089 1 65183 1 65248 1 65299 1 65364 1 65521 As for Expiry-times - here the Expiry-time in days relative to "now" with the number of objects in cache: Obj_count EXP days in the past 42511 -16267 12585 -6199 1 -209 1 -172 1 -171 2 -169 1 -157 1 -149 1635 -85 2233 -84 701 -83 388 -82 336 -81 234 -80 175 -79 139 -78 88 -77 85 -76 63 -75 82 -74 58 -73 48 -72 49 -71 49 -70 32 -69 50 -68 20 -67 25 -66 32 -65 49 -64 22 -63 39 -62 32 -61 32 -60 19 -59 13 -58 9 -57 10 -56 24 -55 14 -54 47 -53 24 -52 27 -51 24 -50 17 -49 36 -48 75 -47 38 -46 58 -45 61 -44 14 -43 55 -42 23 -41 27 -40 42 -39 53 -38 46 -37 68 -36 101 -35 52 -34 52 -33 35 -32 88 -31 39 -30 39 -29 58 -28 86 -27 77 -26 83 -25 83 -24 77 -23 79 -22 123 -21 123 -20 176 -19 128 -18 170 -17 141 -16 153 -15 144 -14 101 -13 122 -12 342 -11 220 -10 177 -9 212 -8 27001 -7 61767 -6 71550 -5 79084 -4 82293 -3 91091 -2 113077 -1 102432 -0 79068 0 13197 1 1 8 286 168 121 169 57 170 30 171 17 172 114 173 610 174 656 175 325 176 169 177 245 178 198 179 55 180 30 233 7 234 3 246 3 269 1 288 1 317 1 331 1 336 1 340 1 343 3 349 3 350 1 352 1 353 1 355 4 358 2 360 1 361 2 362 3 363 2 364 7 365 3 3376 1 3650 So of all the all the 789431 objects 694199 Objects have EX:... in the past - that is 88% of all objects! And 65904 of those have an expiry date older than the start of the squid process. LastUpdated distribution shows: the following distribution: Obj_count last updated: 195 0 6056 -0 10468 -1 6085 -2 4321 -3 8896 -4 5172 -5 7925 -6 13158 -7 9479 -8 1368 -9 826 -10 681 -11 376 -12 2489 -13 63 -14 9305 -15 1912 -16 1804 -18 630 -19 2982 -20 11 -21 1171 -22 4629 -23 1 -24 7194 -25 275 -27 4 -28 12798 -29 3024 -30 5054 -32 ... 1 -3288 1 -3290 1 -3307 6 -3327 4 -3374 33 -3375 3 -3381 25 -3390 2 -4547 164525 -16267 And Last referenced: Objcount days ago 36823 0 140468 -0 127974 -1 104453 -2 86550 -3 87259 -4 79582 -5 77286 -6 49036 -7 In summary the way that I interpret it is: * it seems as if the memory_overhead per cache_object is quite high * there seem to be a lot of objects that have expired but have never been evicted from cache * possibly eviction does not happen because the calculated cache size is only 2.9GB with 4GB being configured as Max memory... So the question is: why do we underestimate memory_object sizes by a factor of aproximately 2? Does this help with the analysis? Thanks, Martin -----Original Message----- From: Martin Sperl Sent: Montag, 14. Juli 2014 13:37 To: Amos Jeffries; squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: squid: Memory utilization higher than expected since moving from 3.3 to 3.4 and Vary: working Hi! I did a bit of an analysis of the data gathered so far. Current status: 8236072KB of allocated memory by squid since restart of squid on the 8th, so about 5-6 days. The following memory pools have most of an increase in the last 2 days (>100kB): Type-date KB-20140712 KB-20140714 KB-Delta Cnt-20140712 Cnt-20140714 Cnt-Delta Total 5629096 7494319 1865223 26439770 33704210 7264440 mem_node 2375038 3192370 817332 588017 790374 202357 4K Buffer 1138460 1499996 361536 284615 374999 90384 Short Strings 456219 606107 149888 11679188 15516319 3837131 16K Buffer 213120 323120 110000 13320 20195 6875 HttpHeaderEntry 312495 415162 102667 5714194 7591516 1877322 2K Buffer 249876 351226 101350 124938 175613 50675 8K Buffer 135944 182360 46416 16993 22795 5802 HttpReply 133991 178174 44183 490023 651607 161584 MemObject 114845 152713 37868 490004 651575 161571 Medium Strings 90893 120859 29966 727141 966866 239725 cbdata BodyPipe (39) 65367 88238 22871 440363 594443 154080 HttpHdrCc 41486 55327 13841 442515 590153 147638 32K Buffer 23584 35360 11776 737 1105 368 cbdata MemBuf (13) 30627 40726 10099 490026 651615 161589 LRU policy node 46068 49871 3803 1965553 2127797 162244 64K Buffer 1664 2240 576 26 35 9 Long Strings 1444 2007 563 2888 4014 1126 StoreEntry 173530 173746 216 1480781 1482628 1847 All of those have linear increases. They also show similar "wavy" behavior - when one has a "bump" then some of the others also have a Bump. So now there are several "groups": * pools that stay constant (wordlist,...) * pools that show variability like our traffic-curves (Comm::Connections) * pools that increase minimally (starting at 80% of current KB 2 days ago) (ip_cache_entry, LRU_policy_node) * pool that increases a bit (starting at 35% of current KB 2days ago) fqdncache_entry * Pools that increase a lot (starting at below 20% of the currend KB 2 days ago) - which are (sorted from Biggest to smallest KB footprint): ** mem_node ** 4K Buffer ** Short Strings ** HttpHeaderEntry ** 2K Buffer ** 16K Buffer ** 8K Buffer ** Http Reply ** Mem Object ** Medium Strings ** cbdata BodyPipe (39) ** HttpHdrCc ** cbdata MemBuff(13) ** 32K Buffer ** Long Strings So there must be something that links all of those in the last group together. If you again look at the delta of the % between hours one can find that most of those show again a "traffic-curve" pattern in the increase (which is the wavy part I was talking about earlier) All of the pools in this specific group show (again) similar behavior with similar ratios. So it seems to me as we keeping too much information in our cache, which never gets evicted - as I had said earlier: my guess would be the extra info to manage "Vary" possibly related to some cleanup processes not evicting all the "related" objects in cache... This is when I started to look at some other variation reported in other values. So here the values of "StoreEntries" for the last few days: 20140709-020001: 1472007 StoreEntries 20140710-020001: 1475545 StoreEntries 20140711-020001: 1478025 StoreEntries 20140712-020001: 1480771 StoreEntries 20140713-020001: 1481721 StoreEntries 20140714-020001: 1482608 StoreEntries These stayed almost constant... But looking at " StoreEntries with MemObjects" the picture is totally different. 20140709-020001: 128542 StoreEntries with MemObjects 20140710-020001: 275923 StoreEntries with MemObjects 20140711-020001: 387990 StoreEntries with MemObjects 20140712-020001: 489994 StoreEntries with MemObjects 20140713-020001: 571872 StoreEntries with MemObjects 20140714-020001: 651560 StoreEntries with MemObjects And "on disk objects": 20140709-020001: 1470163 on-disk objects 20140710-020001: 1472215 on-disk objects 20140711-020001: 1473671 on-disk objects 20140712-020001: 1475614 on-disk objects 20140713-020001: 1475933 on-disk objects 20140714-020001: 1476291 on-disk objects (constant again) And " Hot Object Cache Items": 20140709-020001: 128532 Hot Object Cache Items 20140710-020001: 275907 Hot Object Cache Items 20140711-020001: 387985 Hot Object Cache Items 20140712-020001: 489989 Hot Object Cache Items 20140713-020001: 571862 Hot Object Cache Items 20140714-020001: 651556 Hot Object Cache Items So if you look at the finer details and traffic pattern we again see that traffic pattern for: * storeEntries with MemObjects * Hot Object Cache Items And these show similar behavior to the pools mentioned above. The other 2 types stay fairly constant and also decrease in count. So maybe all this gives additional evidence which objects are using so much more memory. Did this give any hints? Do you want to see any other data gathered? Martin This message and the information contained herein is proprietary and confidential and subject to the Amdocs policy statement, you may review at http://www.amdocs.com/email_disclaimer.asp