Brian, Did you check /etc/grub.conf (assuming you use grub) for the hdc= entry? If that's OK, try # dmesg | more and look for problem reports during bootup. If you don't find anything there, try # cat /var/log/messages | more and look for the same things. You are looking for problems involving /dev/scd0, /dev/cdrom, etc. It's also possible that your /etc/fstab file is messed up. There should be a line entry that reads: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 Make sure the 'kudzu' entry is there, else boot-time autodiscover won't detect and support your CD-ROM. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL On Thursday May 29, 2003 Brian Pershall wrote: > ok I have no /dev/cdrom and in /dev I have no listings like below, there > are a few sym links but none for the cd rom, maybe I left something out > here this is not a fresh install it is an upgrade from RH 8, does this > make a difference. What are my next steps to try and fix this.