In this whole discussion, we need to keep in mind the distinction that RH is making between their products (I am not sure if this is in writing anywhere, but it certainly is what their account reps are saying in their dog and pony shows). They have two product lines now a consumer line (rapid release, designed for home use and hobbyists), e.g. RH9, and they have a business line WS, ES and AS. If you look at the feature set, WS is comparable to W2K or XP Pro and ES/AS are the server products. The business line is supposed to go 18-24 months between major releases to provide better stability and support for the business environment. If you use the 24 month model, WS costs at least $358 for a new full license with two years of errata/security updates (and the other benefits of RHN, but you get these whether or not you want them). W2K/XP costs $299 (at list, at www.componentsdirect.com as of 8:20 on 4/10/03, full XP Pro is $129 or OEM is $99 with hardware purchase) for the same period (or longer if you do not need to upgrade yet). Both are explicitly licensed for a single computer, so this is the apples and apples comparison. If RH does the WS subscription like the ASDE (Developer Edition), you will only have access to the WS channel and the consumer edition channels. In other words, unless you want to get the source and maintain a "server" module yourself, you will not have access to it. Also, if they do WS like ASDE, errata, etc. for WS, ES and AS will not be compatible. I fully agree that the priority download, etc. that comes with the subscription is worth something (I do have my system registered with a basic subscription), but my argument is that they need a cheap, business suitable (i.e. demo account is not) update until product EoL. -- Michael Brown Glen Raven, Inc./Info Services Senior Oracle DBA 1831 N. Park Ave Phone: (336)586-1146 Glen Raven, NC 27217 Fax: (336)586-1382 mbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael George Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:41 AM To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Red Hat EW Licensing On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 01:36:00PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > I got the same impression from their description of the Enterprise Workstation > > distro. > > Which, mine or Ed's? RedHat's. > Checking the RHEL-WS release notes > <http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/notes/ws/>, I see: > References to sendmail and sendmail-cf packages, so you have a mail server. > VNC is there along with X/K/GDM for remote desktop sharing. > NFS exports are surely there, so file serving is possible. I expect > samba too, for interoperability. > Since printconf is there LPRng and or CUPS is there, so it can be a > print server. > > While the MS products sort of do a few of those, like printers and > files, I doubt it would be a choise for those jobs. The linux version > are the same ones we've been using, and so just as appropriate as before. Good points. But why would RH bill it as "workstation only, not a server"? What of MySQL, Apache, etc? I'll have to check... > > Now this is quite true. But then again, you will have to stick with packages > > that match the system of EW and you probably won't be getting any security > > upgrades with those SRPMS... > > Use RHEL-ES packages and updates? Still I would need to see the full > package list to know for sure. But if all the Enterprise updates are by subscription only, how will you get them? -- A billion seconds ago Harry Truman was president. A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ. A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth. A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury. -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list
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