Just to balance all the complaining a bit, I would like to note that Red Hat has done a tremendous job with this latest release. Even the early availability of the isos is a great benefit for anyone willing to use their recommended download technique and use a little patience. The install was the best yet, not a hiccup on both a fresh install and an upgrade of RHL8.0. Well, one small hiccup because I probably made the wrong choice for handling the bootloader on the upgrade. I had to use my boot disk (don't fail to make one) to boot and run grub-install to recover my MBR. The interface is great, the menus are *much* improved, and so far everything "just works*. For my first time, the rhn configure and initial download worked perfectly. In spite of all the complaining about rhn access, this morning the red button was throbbing and without any trouble, the system upgraded krb5 in spite of the load. Thanks for all the hard work and the professional attention to detail, Red Hat. gerry tool