On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Joe Klemmer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, John wrote: > > > > Quite a clever strategy if you ask me. What so others think? > > > > I think I'll be going to Debian. That's what I think. > > > > Simple things I've been doing for Eons I now can't. Like maximise a > > Window vertically or horizontally. > > > > My favourite time-waster (freecell) isn't on a KDE menu, and I still > > don't think Gnome's up to it. > > I haven't been using KDE or GNOME for years. I use XFce and, > therefor, I have zero problems with anything related to the GUI. Period. Your use is hardly relevant to the point which is, that RHL 8.0 as shipped, has some annoying deficiencies. > > > Packages I use occasionally, such as metamail, now aren't there. > > I would have preferred that this stay but there was some reason it > was dropped. Can't remember, off hand. > > > I like the idea that, if I say "Install gnucash" that apt-get will get > > all the prerequisite libraries and install those too. Not only that, but > > it checks for and gets the latest version for my release. > > Grrr. You can do the exact same thing on RH. Install the apt-rpm > package then just use the exact same commands as you would in Debian. > This is a non-issue. apt-get uses Packages and Releases files that are maintained on the ftp server, Does RH have them? Last I saw it didn't. With Debian, it's standard. On RHL it's not. > > Unlike up2date, it gets it from my install CDs or from my local mirror > > and _NOT_ from some place on the far side of the world. > > You need to man up2date. You seem to have no idea of what it can > do nor how to use it. Nobody's ever told me it will go to my local ftp site. AFAIK it wants an RHN server. Sure, I can download and setup Current which does a partial job. Debian asks you to choose an ftp server and you have some standard ones to choose from. It tok no effort at all to recognise that ftp.wa.au.debian.org is right here in Perth, and recognising the iiNet has one was pretty trivial too as it's the largest IAP here in Perth. If I have a local mirror, I can use that. In Contrast, up2date gest everything from somewhere in the US and I have to watch my bandwidth budget. Access to local sites is free of charge, tranfers from the US go against my 4 Gbyte allowance. > > RHL has become more like that, and I'm now looking elsewhere. > > That is, OC, your prerogative. I still think that the "Big 7" are > all very good options and using any of them (well, except TurboLinux) is > fine. If you want to move to Debian that's great. Just make sure you are > doing it with some clue as to why. The things you describe above are > completely non-issues and trivial. To your mind, maybe. As you've already said, you're not using standard RHL, you've chosen to use software that's not standard in place of software that is. I've been down that path, I did it with OS/2. I don't like the new UI, and I don't suppose that RH is going back to what we had before. My wife complains every time I change something, including updates from one RHL release to another (before 8.0). I can see her complaining even more if I install RHL 8.0 on her computer. Possibly, I'd get away with Debian. On another list, from another email address, I described the process I go through when installing RHL to get it up to date when freshly installed. Debian's installer is a pain, but it does get that right. If I install Woody, it will get the updates forme. I've used 15 consecutive releases of RHL. Back at 3.0.3 I'm sure it was the best choice. Looking at alternatives now is not premature. -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
