I am not sure I understand your point here : I was not talking about
package management. This would be another pretty LONG discussion :-).
However, your remarks are interesting since I think one of the 2 most
interesting thing in linux are
- Linux kernel
- Xfree 86
Now . it seems both of those "guys" are doing such a very poor job (in
redhat point of view) that "redhat kernel is "not even close" to the
linux kernel (??????) and Xfree 86 needs to be fixed and their files
relocated.
This is a little scary ...
Is this a Linux system packaged by Redhat or a Redhat system backward
incompatible with linux ? Why are those two entities (respectable
enough to be built on) always wrong ? And, most importantly, who should
I trust when it comes to kernel or X11 matters ???
I am getting a little confused ... my brain limitations I guess
Now, I am personally OK : I don't complain as I can play with everything
and get the latest and greatest Linux Kernel and XFree86 from their
authors to work happily on my system ... with some pain after "fixing"
(from MY only point of view :-) what Redhat broke.
I am sure you and others will come and scream badly at me about this.
Don't forget this is my "2 cents". A little like the Earl Grey Tea from
Mike. This was supposed to be a "constructive comment". Not the start of
a war (we have plenty of real ones going on already..). No need to come
back at me saying "just write your own distro" etc. I am not saying
Redhat is bad. I just don't agree with some of its choices and wish
things where more integrated with its main components development
streams. Seeing Redhat consistently disagreeing with its kernel and X11
authors and not getting in agreement with them about what is right and
what is wrong is not a comforting feeling .
Regards
Philippe
On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 15:33, Tom Diehl wrote:
> On 17 May 2003, Philippe Moutarlier wrote:
>
> > Ok, I think I would like to give my 2 cents about this (and the rest
> > BTW).
> >
> >
> >
> > Using XFree86 sources also destroys your RPM package managment
> > > and dependancy resolution mechanisms, and will also make upgrades
> > > to newer releases of the OS fail due to the different location
> > > that files are placed in between the RPM packages and the stock
> > > XFree86.org installation locations.
> >
> >
> > As much as I agree with the previous post from Mike (the "LONG ONE" (tm)
> > :-) , I find this situation with respect to original source usage a
> > little annoying.
>
> Why?? Either you want to use a package manager or you do not. You cannot have
> it both ways. The idea behind a package manager is that things are supposed
> to be taken care of for you. If you want to bypass the package manager and
> it breaks you get to keep the pieces. There are NO guarantees that anything
> under the control of a package managment system will look anything like the
> upstream source. Have you ever looked at the Red Hat Kernel as opposed to
> the linus kernel tree?? They are not even close. I am sure there is some very
> good reason for the files being placed as they are (maybe for FHS compliance??).
> I do not know.
>
> > I think the stock versions of anything like kernels, Xfree etc should be
> > usable by people who want to be on the bleeding edge without breaking
> > the architecture of the system. This means that Redhat or whoever
> > distributes them should keep the 'structure' as identical to the
> > original as possible. Of course, things can still break because we are
> > on the bleeding edge and we better know what it means. But why is Redhat
> > insisting on putting under Xfree86/lib file which don't belong there in
> > the original version ?
>
> Bleeding edge implies that you know what you are doing. If you do not you
> should not be playing on the bleeding edge or at least not complaining when
> somehing does not work like you think it should. I am sure that the guys from
> Red Hat do not move files around just to keep you from using the original
> source. If you want to use the original source for any package rpm -e the
> package or packages you want to replace and install from source. That is not
> easy you say, well no one said it was going to be easy. In fact it is almost
> guaranteed to be painful, that is why package managers were invented. :-)
>
> Enjoy,
--
Philippe Moutarlier <philippe.moutarlier@xxxxxxxxx>
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