And why we all are waiting: As it is that much standardized nowadays, because everything is nearly optimized - for example you cannot expect any new picture format that is much more effective than jpeg2000, you will have todays pdf standard in yeas to come ... etc - because the ways to handle user data nowadays will settle down, will ever less change - that is the chance for reiser4 with plugins to come to market. Hans Reiser was a bit early with his efforts. Now, whenever the data-system (old narrow concept "filesytem") can handle more and more of the logic itself (through the plugins) the field of new connected programming logic will wide open! Ralph (unfortunately not a kernel hacker) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe reiserfs-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html