Hi Andrew, I am almost at the end with my latin ;-) Anyway everything looks fine so far ... we get connection from and to server1 The only strange thing I can see so far is the fact with "bad udp cksum ...." things. But this is also reported when I run tcpdump on my servers. The more strange/confusing fact is the thing about NTPv4 and NTPv3 as your hosts seems to use NTPv3 (never heard that this can be a problem ... but you never know) So from my point of view do you now have two options: Add server <ntp source server> version 4 to your /etc/ntp.conf and try out what is happening -> Maybe also check your ntp version Or if possible add other server to you ntp configuration (available in the internet, like 0.europe.pool.ntp.org) -> this requires to have the port on your firewall open for ntp (123) It's than more like a try and error problem solving ... -> Ahh yes, you could also try adding a server as source server in the same subnet. Cheers, Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:05 PM >To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list >Subject: RE: Problem with NTP. > > > >Hello Simon, > Unfortunately I was not the one who >set-up the >network config on this machine but I have had a look and it >seems that we >are using bond0 ( normally Eth0). In the ntp.conf the server line is >correct. I have just run the command tcpdump -i bond0 -vvv port 123 and >here is the output below. Let me know what your thoughts are on this. >Thanks. > >13:50:17.957954 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags >[DF], proto: >UDP (17), length: 76) host.ntp > server 1.ntp: [bad udp cksum >a507!] NTPv4, >length 48 > Client, Leap indicator: clock unsynchronized (192), >Stratum 0, poll >4s, precision -20 > Root Delay: 0.000000, Root dispersion: 0.000228, Reference-ID: >(unspec) > Reference Timestamp: 0.000000000 > Originator Timestamp: 3449307002.785917878 (2009/04/21 >13:50:02) > Receive Timestamp: 3449307002.978185892 (2009/04/21 >13:50:02) > Transmit Timestamp: 3449307017.957933723 (2009/04/21 >13:50:17) > Originator - Receive Timestamp: +0.192268028 > Originator - Transmit Timestamp: +15.172015830 >13:50:17.975996 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 123, id 14463, offset 0, flags [none], >proto: UDP (17), length: 76) server1.ntp > host.ntp: [udp sum >ok] NTPv3, >length 48 > Server, Leap indicator: (0), Stratum 4, poll 4s, precision -6 > Root Delay: 1.111236, Root dispersion: 0.277236, >Reference-ID: server > Reference Timestamp: 3449306869.097917899 (2009/04/21 >13:47:49) > Originator Timestamp: 3449307017.957933723 (2009/04/21 >13:50:17) > Receive Timestamp: 3449307017.785917878 (2009/04/21 >13:50:17) > Transmit Timestamp: 3449307017.785917878 (2009/04/21 >13:50:17) > Originator - Receive Timestamp: -0.172015830 > Originator - Transmit Timestamp: -0.172015830 >13:50:20.957972 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags >[DF], proto: >UDP (17), length: 76) host.ntp > server 2.ntp: [bad udp cksum >9655!] NTPv4, >length 48 > Client, Leap indicator: clock unsynchronized (192), >Stratum 0, poll >4s, precision -20 > Root Delay: 0.000000, Root dispersion: 0.000274, Reference-ID: >(unspec) > Reference Timestamp: 0.000000000 > Originator Timestamp: 3449307003.785982191 (2009/04/21 >13:50:03) > Receive Timestamp: 3449307004.314816921 (2009/04/21 >13:50:04) > Transmit Timestamp: 3449307020.957959651 (2009/04/21 >13:50:20) > Originator - Receive Timestamp: +0.528834700 > Originator - Transmit Timestamp: +17.171977415 >13:50:20.995422 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 123, id 24070, offset 0, flags [none], >proto: UDP (17), length: 76) server2.ntp > host.ntp: [udp sum >ok] NTPv3, >length 48 > Server, Leap indicator: (0), Stratum 3, poll 4s, precision -6 > Root Delay: 1.079986, Root dispersion: 0.180084, >Reference-ID: server > Reference Timestamp: 3449306756.785982191 (2009/04/21 >13:45:56) > Originator Timestamp: 3449307020.957959651 (2009/04/21 >13:50:20) > Receive Timestamp: 3449307020.785982191 (2009/04/21 >13:50:20) > Transmit Timestamp: 3449307020.785982191 (2009/04/21 >13:50:20) > Originator - Receive Timestamp: -0.171977415 > Originator - Transmit Timestamp: -0.171977415 > >Regards > >Andrew Bridgeman > > > > > > "Reber, Simon" > > <simon.reber@roch > > e.com> > To > Sent by: "General Red Hat Linux >discussion > redhat-list-bounc list" ><redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > es@xxxxxxxxxx > cc > > > > Subject > 21/04/2009 12:48 RE: Problem with NTP. > > > > > > Please respond to > > General Red Hat > > Linux discussion > > list > > <redhat-list@redh > > at.com> > > > > > > > > > >Andrew, > >Well, what I don't get now is the point that you're running tcpdump on >eth0 and over bond0 DHCP services is running. > One quick question, how is the network interface setup for >this >machine? > eth0, bond0 is setup over eth1 and eth2, etc. > >The thing about ntptrace and the return of stratum 16 is normal. If now >server can be found for synchronization is usually does a fallback to >localhost > -> as shown in the ntptrace > >OK, the question I have now: > /etc/ntp.conf ... can you pls check if the >parameter server >Server1 is written correctly (meaning server as keyword is all in small >letters) > I hardly remember to have solved such an issue >because >of keyword which was written Server instead of server > > If this is ok, would I really go on with tcpdump >to see if ntp >traffic is going out (when you restart the services) and if also a >answer is coming > back > To do so, run tcpdump -i <interface> port 123 > >Cheers, >Simon > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:36 PM >>To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list >>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP. >> >> >> >>Hello Simon, >> I have just run the tcpdump command >>on Eth0 as an >>example and it returned tcpdump listening, capture size >96bytes so this >>looks to be fine. The Answer to your other questions are below; >> >>1). Yes we are using DHCP service on this machine with bond0. >>2). ntpdate -q server1 = server server 1, stratum 4, offset >>-0.085034, >>delay 0.05925 >> 21 Apr 12:19:32 ntpdate[28633]: adjust time server >>server1 offset -0.085034 sec >>3)ntptrace = localhost.localdomain: stratum 16, offset 0.000000, synch >>distance 0.056055 >>4)nsswitch.conf = services files nis >>5)ypcat = 3694/tcp vpntpp 3694/tcp >> 119/udp nntp 119/udp readnews untp >> 563/udp nntps 563/udp >> 3346/udp trnsprntproxy 3346/udp >> 119/tcp nntp 119/tcp readnews untp >> 3346/tcp trnsprntproxy 3346/tcp >> 123/udp ntp 123/udp >> 563/tcp nntps 563/tcp >> 3079/udp lv-frontpanel 3079/udp >> 2514/udp facsys-ntp 2514/udp >> 2514/tcp facsys-ntp 2514/tcp >> 580/udp sntp-heartbeat 580/udp >> 3079/tcp lv-frontpanel 3079/tcp >> 1865/udp entp 1865/udp >> 3178/udp radclientport 3178/udp >> 123/tcp ntp 123/tcp >> 1865/tcp entp 1865/tcp >> 3178/tcp radclientport 3178/tcp >> 580/tcp sntp-heartbeat 580/tcp >> 5418/udp mcntp 5418/udp >> 5418/tcp mcntp 5418/tcp >> 3694/udp vpntpp 3694/udp >>6). Yes there is a firewall but all hosts have access through >>it, hence 30 >>odd machines work currently. >>7). Date/Timezone - Tue Apr 21 12:28:38 BST 2009 >> >>The interesting one for me out of all the things I have just >run is the >>ntptrace coming up as stratum16 which I would assume is like a non >>communication, if i run this on a machine that works i get stratum 4. >> >>Have a review of this info and let me know your thoughts. >> >>Regards >> >>Andrew Bridgeman >> >> >> >> >> >> "Reber, Simon" >> >> <simon.reber@roch >> >> e.com> >> To >> Sent by: "General Red Hat Linux >>discussion >> redhat-list-bounc list" >><redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >> es@xxxxxxxxxx >> cc >> >> >> >> Subject >> 21/04/2009 12:04 RE: Problem with NTP. >> >> >> >> >> >> Please respond to >> >> General Red Hat >> >> Linux discussion >> >> list >> >> <redhat-list@redh >> >> at.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Andrew, >> >>To make a try run with tcpdump, simply run tcpdump ... This will show >>you the entire network traffic from this server. >> To find out more about tcpdump, have a look at >>the man page: >>http://linux.die.net/man/8/tcpdump >> >>About the messages. Are I am right that you also run a DHCP >services on >>this host? >> And is the interface you are working with bond0? >>Do the other servers also have bonding interfaces? >> >>Some other thoughts: >> what does ntpdate -q server1 return? >> what result does ntptrace return? >> what shows cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep services >> what shows ypcat -k services | grep ntp >> Is there a firewall between localhost and server1 >> What's the date/time and timezone of the server >> >>With the help of the above information, we should be able to fix the >>problem (hopefully) ;-) >> >>Cheers, >>Simon >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >>>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:42 PM >>>To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list >>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP. >>> >>> >>> >>>Hello Simon, >>> Thanks for help so far. I have >>checked and the >>>tcpdump package is installed with root permission's so in >>>theory we should >>>be able to run the tcpdump command. Is there an even simpler tcpdump >>>command to run just to check it can be used. Also I have >>>attached the last >>>25 minutes of the messages log, in which I have restarted the >>>ntpd service >>>to try and get it too synchronise. If you see anything to investigate >>>please let me know. >>> >>>Apr 21 11:05:06 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for Server from >>>00:17:a4:f9:6f:fa via >>>bond0: unknown lease Server. >>>Apr 21 11:05:07 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:05:44 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:07:13 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:09:15 last message repeated 2 times >>>Apr 21 11:10:37 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:12:39 last message repeated 2 times >>>Apr 21 11:13:52 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:14:40 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:15:52 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:17:12 last message repeated 2 times >>>Apr 21 11:19:15 last message repeated 2 times >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26183]: ntpd Thu Nov 6 11:08:22 UTC 2008 (1) >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: precision = 1.000 usec >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface wildcard, >>>0.0.0.0#123 >>>Disabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface wildcard, ::#123 >>>Disabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface bond0, >>>fe80::21e:bff:fe60:acda#123 Enabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface lo, >>::1#123 Enabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface lo, 127.0.0.1#123 >>>Enabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface bond0, Server#123 >>>Enabled >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: kernel time sync status 0040 >>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from >>>/var/lib/ntp/drift >>>Apr 21 11:20:10 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:21:13 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via >>>bond0: BOOTP >>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases >>>Apr 21 11:23:12 last message repeated 2 times >>>Apr 21 11:25:01 last message repeated 2 times >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Andrew Bridgeman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Reber, Simon" >>> >>> <simon.reber@roch >>> >>> e.com> >>> To >>> Sent by: "General Red Hat Linux >>>discussion >>> redhat-list-bounc list" >>><redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >>> es@xxxxxxxxxx >>> cc >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject >>> 21/04/2009 11:16 RE: Problem with NTP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please respond to >>> >>> General Red Hat >>> >>> Linux discussion >>> >>> list >>> >>> <redhat-list@redh >>> >>> at.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Andrew, >>> >>>Well I think this is going to be a bit more difficult. >>>The "timeout" is coming obviously from the ntp settings set >on server1 >>>(noquery, etc.) >>> >>>Anyway tcpdump is a tool to look at the network traffic and as >>>you said, >>>it is not possible to find the binary which usually indicates that it >>>isn't installed (try to run rpm -qa | grep tcpdump to see if >>>it is there >>>or not) >>> BTW: The program is under /usr/sbin and needs >>>root permissions >>>to be executed >>> >>>So I strongly suggest to install tcpdump to see what is going >>>on, on the >>>network interface (especially on port 123 since this is the ntp port) >>> An other help could be to check /var/adm/messages >>>to see if >>>there is any hint why ntp isn't working properly >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Simon >>> >>>P.S. Sorry for the guessing all the time but it's difficult to give >>>advice via email. >>> I have tons of idea where the problems could be >>>located but to >>>mention all that I would need to write a book ;-) >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:31 AM >>>>To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list >>>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello Simon, >>>> When I run the ntpq -p server1 >>>>command I get an >>>>"timeout, nothing received" so I tried the same command on 5 >>>>other machines >>>>that are currently working fine and I get the same error so I >>>>am unsure why >>>>that is. The tcpdump command is showing no such file or >>>>directory, are you >>>>sure the syntax is correct? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Andrew Bridgeman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Reber, Simon" >>>> >>>> <simon.reber@roch >>>> >>>> e.com> >>>> To >>>> Sent by: "General Red Hat Linux >>>>discussion >>>> redhat-list-bounc list" >>>><redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>> es@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> cc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject >>>> 21/04/2009 10:19 RE: Problem with NTP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please respond to >>>> >>>> General Red Hat >>>> >>>> Linux discussion >>>> >>>> list >>>> >>>> <redhat-list@redh >>>> >>>> at.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Well as the configuration does work on other hosts, we >don't going to >>>>focus any further on this. >>>> But what's about the output of ntpq -p <ntp >>>source server> >>>> In your example like: ntpq -p Server1 >>>> >>>>What does tcpdump telling you: >>>> Run # tcpdump -i <intergace> -vvv port 123 >>>> Is there any activity reported? >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>Simon >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:13 AM >>>>>To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list >>>>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for the reply Simon. Here is the ntpq and ntp.conf info. >>>>> >>>>> remote refid st t when poll reach >>>delay offset >>>>>jitter >>>>>=============================================================== >>>>>=============== >>>>> Server1 Server2 4 u 9 64 77 >>18.104 -1193.4 >>>>>3.107 >>>>> Server2 Server 3 3 u >>>> 5 >>>>>64 77 19.688 -1188.2 1.623 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>restrict default noquery nomodify >>>>>restrict 127.0.0.1 >>>>>restrict Server1 mask 255.255.255.255 nomodify notrap noquery >>>>>restrict Server2 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrap >>>>>server Server1 minpoll 4 maxpoll 6 >>>>>server Server2 minpoll 4 maxpoll 6 >>>>>driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift >>>>>logfile /var/log/ntp.log >>>>> >>>>>Remember I use this config for numerous other machines, it is >>>>>just this one >>>>>I >>>>>have an issue with. Any thoughts on possible solutions >would be much >>>>>appreciated. >>>>> >>>>>FYI >>>>> >>>>>When I run ntpq -p on all of our other Linux machines it shows >>>>>as below. >>>>> >>>>> remote refid st t when poll reach >>>delay offset >>>>>jitter >>>>>=============================================================== >>>>>=============== >>>>> +Server1 Server2 4 u 2 64 377 >>>>18.104 -12.428 >>>>>8.107 >>>>> *server2 Server 3 3 u >>>>> 58 >>>>>64 377 19.688 -0.482 10.623 >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>> >>>>>Andrew Bridgeman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Reber, Simon" >>>>> >>>>> <simon.reber@roch >>>>> >>>>> e.com> >>>>> To >>>>> Sent by: "General Red Hat Linux >>>>>discussion >>>>> redhat-list-bounc list" >>>>><redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> es@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>> cc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Subject >>>>> 21/04/2009 09:55 RE: Problem with NTP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please respond to >>>>> >>>>> General Red Hat >>>>> >>>>> Linux discussion >>>>> >>>>> list >>>>> >>>>> <redhat-list@redh >>>>> >>>>> at.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well the root cause of this issue could be located on >>various places. >>>>> What I can suggest to try is run # ntpq -p <ntp >>>>>source server> >>>>> <ntp source server> means the server which you >>>>>are trying to >>>>>synchronize with >>>>> >>>>> If the connection is refused than you know that >>>>you have a >>>>>permissions problem somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> An other option is to show the output of ntpq -p and >>>>>/etc/ntp.conf >>>>> Please make servernames and IP addresses >>>>>anonymous. >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>>Simon >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>>>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:44 AM >>>>>>To: redhat-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Subject: Problem with NTP. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I have a new Redhat version 4 server that was built last >>>week. I have >>>>>>edited the /etc/ntp.conf and made sure all the entries in >>the folder >>>>>>/etc/ntp are the same as all the other Linux machines we have >>>>>>onsite. It >>>>>>seems to find time sources as when I use ntpq -p it comes up >>>>>>with the name >>>>>>and IP Addresses but I just cannot get it too sync i.e. has a >>>>>>* or + next >>>>>>to server IP Addresses. I have pretty much been through the >>>>>>config on the >>>>>>machine and the only two things I can see that are different >>>>>>is that it is >>>>>>using itself for NIS as it is the NIS master and also in the >>>>>>/etc/hosts.equiv file it has individual entries not +@trusted >>>>>>like all the >>>>>>other machines. 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