RE: Problem with NTP.

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Hello Simon,
                          Unfortunately I was not the one who set-up the
network config on this machine but I have had a look and it seems that we
are using bond0 ( normally Eth0). In the ntp.conf the server line is
correct. I have just run the command tcpdump -i bond0 -vvv port 123 and
here is the output below. Let me know what your thoughts are on this.
Thanks.

13:50:17.957954 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
UDP (17), length: 76) host.ntp > server 1.ntp: [bad udp cksum a507!] NTPv4,
length 48
      Client, Leap indicator: clock unsynchronized (192), Stratum 0, poll
4s, precision -20
      Root Delay: 0.000000, Root dispersion: 0.000228, Reference-ID:
(unspec)
        Reference Timestamp:  0.000000000
        Originator Timestamp: 3449307002.785917878 (2009/04/21 13:50:02)
        Receive Timestamp:    3449307002.978185892 (2009/04/21 13:50:02)
        Transmit Timestamp:   3449307017.957933723 (2009/04/21 13:50:17)
          Originator - Receive Timestamp:  +0.192268028
          Originator - Transmit Timestamp: +15.172015830
13:50:17.975996 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 123, id 14463, offset 0, flags [none],
proto: UDP (17), length: 76) server1.ntp > host.ntp: [udp sum ok] NTPv3,
length 48
      Server, Leap indicator:  (0), Stratum 4, poll 4s, precision -6
      Root Delay: 1.111236, Root dispersion: 0.277236, Reference-ID: server
        Reference Timestamp:  3449306869.097917899 (2009/04/21 13:47:49)
        Originator Timestamp: 3449307017.957933723 (2009/04/21 13:50:17)
        Receive Timestamp:    3449307017.785917878 (2009/04/21 13:50:17)
        Transmit Timestamp:   3449307017.785917878 (2009/04/21 13:50:17)
          Originator - Receive Timestamp:  -0.172015830
          Originator - Transmit Timestamp: -0.172015830
13:50:20.957972 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
UDP (17), length: 76) host.ntp > server 2.ntp: [bad udp cksum 9655!] NTPv4,
length 48
      Client, Leap indicator: clock unsynchronized (192), Stratum 0, poll
4s, precision -20
      Root Delay: 0.000000, Root dispersion: 0.000274, Reference-ID:
(unspec)
        Reference Timestamp:  0.000000000
        Originator Timestamp: 3449307003.785982191 (2009/04/21 13:50:03)
        Receive Timestamp:    3449307004.314816921 (2009/04/21 13:50:04)
        Transmit Timestamp:   3449307020.957959651 (2009/04/21 13:50:20)
          Originator - Receive Timestamp:  +0.528834700
          Originator - Transmit Timestamp: +17.171977415
13:50:20.995422 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 123, id 24070, offset 0, flags [none],
proto: UDP (17), length: 76) server2.ntp > host.ntp: [udp sum ok] NTPv3,
length 48
      Server, Leap indicator:  (0), Stratum 3, poll 4s, precision -6
      Root Delay: 1.079986, Root dispersion: 0.180084, Reference-ID: server
        Reference Timestamp:  3449306756.785982191 (2009/04/21 13:45:56)
        Originator Timestamp: 3449307020.957959651 (2009/04/21 13:50:20)
        Receive Timestamp:    3449307020.785982191 (2009/04/21 13:50:20)
        Transmit Timestamp:   3449307020.785982191 (2009/04/21 13:50:20)
        Originator - Receive Timestamp:  -0.171977415
          Originator - Transmit Timestamp: -0.171977415

Regards

Andrew Bridgeman



                                                                           
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Andrew,

Well, what I don't get now is the point that you're running tcpdump on
eth0 and over bond0 DHCP services is running.
             One quick question, how is the network interface setup for
this
machine?
                         eth0, bond0 is setup over eth1 and eth2, etc.

The thing about ntptrace and the return of stratum 16 is normal. If now
server can be found for synchronization is usually does a fallback to
localhost
             -> as shown in the ntptrace

OK, the question I have now:
             /etc/ntp.conf ... can you pls check if the parameter server
Server1 is written correctly (meaning server as keyword is all in small
letters)
                         I hardly remember to have solved such an issue
because
of keyword which was written Server instead of server

             If this is ok, would I really go on with tcpdump to see if ntp
traffic is going out (when you restart the services) and if also a
answer is coming
             back
             To do so, run tcpdump -i <interface> port 123

Cheers,
Simon

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>Hello Simon,
>                         I have just run the tcpdump command
>on Eth0 as an
>example and it returned tcpdump listening, capture size 96bytes so this
>looks to be fine. The Answer to your other questions are below;
>
>1). Yes we are using DHCP service on this machine with bond0.
>2). ntpdate -q server1 =   server server 1, stratum 4, offset
>-0.085034,
>delay 0.05925
>                  21 Apr 12:19:32 ntpdate[28633]: adjust time server
>server1 offset -0.085034 sec
>3)ntptrace = localhost.localdomain: stratum 16, offset 0.000000, synch
>distance 0.056055
>4)nsswitch.conf = services files nis
>5)ypcat =   3694/tcp vpntpp         3694/tcp
>            119/udp nntp            119/udp           readnews untp
>            563/udp nntps           563/udp
>            3346/udp trnsprntproxy   3346/udp
>            119/tcp nntp            119/tcp           readnews untp
>            3346/tcp trnsprntproxy   3346/tcp
>            123/udp ntp       123/udp
>            563/tcp nntps           563/tcp
>            3079/udp lv-frontpanel  3079/udp
>            2514/udp facsys-ntp     2514/udp
>            2514/tcp facsys-ntp     2514/tcp
>            580/udp sntp-heartbeat  580/udp
>            3079/tcp lv-frontpanel  3079/tcp
>            1865/udp entp           1865/udp
>            3178/udp radclientport  3178/udp
>            123/tcp ntp       123/tcp
>            1865/tcp entp           1865/tcp
>            3178/tcp radclientport  3178/tcp
>            580/tcp sntp-heartbeat  580/tcp
>            5418/udp mcntp          5418/udp
>            5418/tcp mcntp          5418/tcp
>            3694/udp vpntpp         3694/udp
>6). Yes there is a firewall but all hosts have access through
>it, hence 30
>odd machines work currently.
>7). Date/Timezone - Tue Apr 21 12:28:38 BST 2009
>
>The interesting one for me out of all the things I have just run is the
>ntptrace coming up as stratum16 which I would assume is like a non
>communication, if i run this on a machine that works i get stratum 4.
>
>Have a review of this info and let me know your thoughts.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew Bridgeman
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>Andrew,
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>To make a try run with tcpdump, simply run tcpdump ... This will show
>you the entire network traffic from this server.
>             To find out more about tcpdump, have a look at
>the man page:
>http://linux.die.net/man/8/tcpdump
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>About the messages. Are I am right that you also run a DHCP services on
>this host?
>             And is the interface you are working with bond0?
>Do the other servers also have bonding interfaces?
>
>Some other thoughts:
>             what does ntpdate -q server1 return?
>             what result does ntptrace return?
>             what shows cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep services
>             what shows ypcat -k services | grep ntp
>             Is there a firewall between localhost and server1
>             What's the date/time and timezone of the server
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>With the help of the above information, we should be able to fix the
>problem (hopefully) ;-)
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>Cheers,
>Simon
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:redhat-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>Andrew.Bridgeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:42 PM
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>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP.
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>>Hello Simon,
>>                         Thanks for help so far. I have
>checked and the
>>tcpdump package is installed with root permission's so in
>>theory we should
>>be able to run the tcpdump command. Is there an even simpler tcpdump
>>command to run just to check it can be used. Also I have
>>attached the last
>>25 minutes of the messages log, in which I have restarted the
>>ntpd service
>>to try and get it too synchronise. If you see anything to investigate
>>please let me know.
>>
>>Apr 21 11:05:06 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for Server from
>>00:17:a4:f9:6f:fa via
>>bond0: unknown lease Server.
>>Apr 21 11:05:07 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:05:44 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:07:13 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:09:15 last message repeated 2 times
>>Apr 21 11:10:37 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:12:39 last message repeated 2 times
>>Apr 21 11:13:52 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:14:40 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:15:52 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:17:12 last message repeated 2 times
>>Apr 21 11:19:15 last message repeated 2 times
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26183]: ntpd Thu Nov  6 11:08:22 UTC 2008 (1)
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: precision = 1.000 usec
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface wildcard,
>>0.0.0.0#123
>>Disabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface wildcard, ::#123
>>Disabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface bond0,
>>fe80::21e:bff:fe60:acda#123 Enabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface lo,
>::1#123 Enabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface lo, 127.0.0.1#123
>>Enabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: Listening on interface bond0, Server#123
>>Enabled
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: kernel time sync status 0040
>>Apr 21 11:19:56 ntpd[26184]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from
>>/var/lib/ntp/drift
>>Apr 21 11:20:10 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:21:13 dhcpd: BOOTREQUEST from 00:18:b1:4d:32:00 via
>>bond0: BOOTP
>>from dynamic client and no dynamic leases
>>Apr 21 11:23:12 last message repeated 2 times
>>Apr 21 11:25:01 last message repeated 2 times
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Andrew Bridgeman
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>>Hi Andrew,
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>>Well I think this is going to be a bit more difficult.
>>The "timeout" is coming obviously from the ntp settings set on server1
>>(noquery, etc.)
>>
>>Anyway tcpdump is a tool to look at the network traffic and as
>>you said,
>>it is not possible to find the binary which usually indicates that it
>>isn't installed (try to run rpm -qa | grep tcpdump to see if
>>it is there
>>or not)
>>             BTW: The program is under /usr/sbin and needs
>>root permissions
>>to be executed
>>
>>So I strongly suggest to install tcpdump to see what is going
>>on, on the
>>network interface (especially on port 123 since this is the ntp port)
>>             An other help could be to check /var/adm/messages
>>to see if
>>there is any hint why ntp isn't working properly
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Simon
>>
>>P.S. Sorry for the guessing all the time but it's difficult to give
>>advice via email.
>>             I have tons of idea where the problems could be
>>located but to
>>mention all that I would need to write a book ;-)
>>
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>>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP.
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>>>Hello Simon,
>>>                          When I run the ntpq -p server1
>>>command I get an
>>>"timeout, nothing received" so I tried the same command on 5
>>>other machines
>>>that are currently working fine and I get the same error so I
>>>am unsure why
>>>that is. The tcpdump command is showing no such file or
>>>directory, are you
>>>sure the syntax is correct?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Andrew Bridgeman
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>>>Well as the configuration does work on other hosts, we don't going to
>>>focus any further on this.
>>>             But what's about the output of ntpq -p <ntp
>>source server>
>>>             In your example like: ntpq -p Server1
>>>
>>>What does tcpdump telling you:
>>>             Run # tcpdump -i <intergace> -vvv port 123
>>>             Is there any activity reported?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Simon
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>>>>Subject: RE: Problem with NTP.
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>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the reply Simon. Here is the ntpq and ntp.conf info.
>>>>
>>>>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach
>>delay   offset
>>>>jitter
>>>>===============================================================
>>>>===============
>>>> Server1              Server2    4 u    9   64   77
>18.104  -1193.4
>>>>3.107
>>>>  Server2                               Server 3         3  u
>>>        5
>>>>64      77      19.688      -1188.2      1.623
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>restrict default noquery nomodify
>>>>restrict 127.0.0.1
>>>>restrict Server1 mask 255.255.255.255 nomodify notrap noquery
>>>>restrict Server2 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrap
>>>>server Server1 minpoll 4 maxpoll 6
>>>>server Server2 minpoll 4 maxpoll 6
>>>>driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
>>>>logfile /var/log/ntp.log
>>>>
>>>>Remember I use this config for numerous other machines, it is
>>>>just this one
>>>>I
>>>>have an issue with. Any thoughts on possible solutions would be much
>>>>appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>FYI
>>>>
>>>>When I run ntpq -p on all of our other Linux machines it shows
>>>>as below.
>>>>
>>>>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach
>>delay   offset
>>>>jitter
>>>>===============================================================
>>>>===============
>>>> +Server1              Server2    4 u    2   64   377
>>>18.104  -12.428
>>>>8.107
>>>>  *server2                               Server 3         3  u
>>>>        58
>>>>64      377      19.688      -0.482       10.623
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Andrew Bridgeman
>>>>
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>>>>Well the root cause of this issue could be located on
>various places.
>>>>             What I can suggest to try is run # ntpq -p <ntp
>>>>source server>
>>>>             <ntp source server> means the server which you
>>>>are trying to
>>>>synchronize with
>>>>
>>>>             If the connection is refused than you know that
>>>you have a
>>>>permissions problem somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>             An other option is to show the output of ntpq -p and
>>>>/etc/ntp.conf
>>>>                         Please make servernames and IP addresses
>>>>anonymous.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Simon
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>>>>>Subject: Problem with NTP.
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>>>>>
>>>>>I have a new Redhat version 4 server that was built last
>>week. I have
>>>>>edited the /etc/ntp.conf and made sure all the entries in
>the folder
>>>>>/etc/ntp are the same as all the other Linux machines we have
>>>>>onsite. It
>>>>>seems to find time sources as when I use ntpq -p it comes up
>>>>>with the name
>>>>>and IP Addresses but I just cannot get it too sync i.e. has a
>>>>>* or + next
>>>>>to server IP Addresses. I have pretty much been through the
>>>>>config on the
>>>>>machine and the only two things I can see that are different
>>>>>is that it is
>>>>>using itself for NIS as it is the NIS master and also in the
>>>>>/etc/hosts.equiv file it has individual entries not +@trusted
>>>>>like all the
>>>>>other machines. I do not think these differences are having an
>>>>>impact on
>>>>>NTP not synchronising but just thought I would mention them anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does anyone know what I can try to solve this issue as the
>>>time on the
>>>>>server needs to be the same as all the other machines.
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>>>>>Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>>>
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