Hi folks, Apologies if my attempt to get into this discussion are not quite right. Just subscribed to the mailing list and wanted to chime in on this subject that I could only find in archive form. I too have been working with Linux Software RAID 5, and was at first very disapointed with the overall reliability. I too have an 8 drive raid 5 box, with 8 320GB drives. In my testing, doing a full read/write test on the entire array will yield at least one drive failure one in 10 full read/write compare cycles. The sad part about this, is in isolating one drive for a single hard read (ECC) error, the raid will attempt to rebuild with the remaing 7 (of 8) drives, and invariably will pop another ECC error before the rebuild is complete. Result: total loss of the array within 10 full read/write cycles. I got to thinking about it, and have come to the conclusion, that with the current RAID algorithms and error handlers, this is almost inevitable. Error rates on disk drives have stayed fairly constant between 1E13 and 1E15 (average about 1 bit error for ever 1 x 10^14), but drive capacitities and RAID capacities in particular have grown considerably. While error rate as a function of bits read had not change, the likelihood that a single bit errror will occur on a single device during a full read/write cycle has increased proportionally to the increases in capacity. If the error rate is 1E14, And a single device holds 300 GB, then for every full read/write cycle, there is a 2.6% chance of a single read error. With the above data, in 10 full read/write cycles there is a 26% chance of a hard read error occuring. Taking it one step further, that is with 8 identical drives, being used in RAID 5, and again 10 full write/read cycles against the array, there is over a 200% chance that a single read error will occur. How can we fix this? Your not going to get better error rates from the disk drive manufacturers. Instead I think the algorithm used in raid 5 needs an update to reflect how disk drives work today. A disk drive, upon failing to read a sector, will identify that sector as probrably bad (Automatic Reallocation). Since it cannot read the data, it returns an error to the host. Not until the host tries to re-write the defective block, can the disk drive decide that the sector is acually unrelible and "reallocate" it to a differnt part of the disk (transparently to the host). The sad part is, is the raid algorithm, knows what data should be in the defective sector. Instead of trying to write it back to the drive and allowing the drive to re-map the defective sector, the raid driver removes the entire device from operation, and then proceeds to rebuild with the remaining devices. Again with the huge disk capacities involved today, the probability that a subsequent read error will occur on a different device before the rebuild is complete is somewhere between 2% and 25% based on my calculations and actual experience. I think Mike Hardy is on the right track, but is grabbing ahold of the wrong end of the stick. What can we do to get the raid driver to attempt to re-write the defective sector before taking a device out of the array? John Suykerbuyk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060709090204050209070306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Hardy wrote: > > Mike Hardy wrote: > >> What I'm thinking of doing is writing a small (or, as small as >> possible, anyway) perl program that can take a few command line >> arguments (like the array construction information) and know how to >> read the data blocks on the array, and calculate parity, as a >> baseline. If perl offends you, sorry, I'm quicker at it than C by a >> long-shot, and I don't really care about speed here, just speed of >> development. > > > Here's the shell script I'm using as a test harness. It creates a > loopback raid5 system, fills it up with random data, and then takes the > md5sum. It has a few modes of operation (to initialize or not as it > starts or stops the array). Probably bad form to keep replying to myself, but what the heck. Ok, I've got a basic perl program together where you specify an arbitrary raid5 array layout, an array component, and a sector address in that component, and it can tell you: a) what the computed value of the sector's chunk should be b) if the real data in the chunk matches the computed value It still needs more structure and cleaning to be useful (it needs a loop to be a general parity checker, or some write logic to be a bad-sector-clearance script). However, the basic raid math seems to work with the test-array creation script I posted earlier in the testing I threw at it, and it might already be useful to others. If anyone checks it out and finds bugs I need to fix or can think of a use for it other than what I'm thinking, let me know, and that'll save me time or show me where I'm missing useful abstractions so I can clean it up properly. Otherwise I'm going to do a lot more testing, wrap this up tomorrow, and (hopefully!) fix the unreadable sectors on the second bad drive in my array with it. -Mike --------------060709090204050209070306 Content-Type: text/plain; name="raid5.pl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="raid5.pl" #!/usr/bin/perl -w # # raid5 perl utility # Copyright (C) 2005 Mike Hardy <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> # # This script understands the default linux raid5 disk layout, # and can be used to check parity in an array stripe, or to calculate # the data that should be present in a chunk with a read error. # # Constructive criticism, detailed bug reports, patches, etc gladly accepted! # # Thanks to Ashford Computer Consulting Service for their handy RAID information: # http://www.accs.com/p_and_p/RAID/index.html # # Thanks also to the various linux kernel hackers that have worked on 'md', # the header files and source code were quite informative when writing this. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) # any later version. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # (for example /usr/src/linux/COPYING); if not, write to the Free # Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA. # my @array_components = ( "/dev/loop0", "/dev/loop1", "/dev/loop2", "/dev/loop3", "/dev/loop4", "/dev/loop5", "/dev/loop6", "/dev/loop7" ); my $chunk_size = 64 * 1024; # chunk size is 64K my $sectors_per_chunk = $chunk_size / 512; # Problem - I have a bad sector on one disk in an array my %component = ( "sector" => 2032, "device" => "/dev/loop3" ); # 1) Get the array-related info for that sector # 2) See if it was the parity disk or not # 2a) If it was the parity disk, calculate the parity # 2b) If it was not the parity disk, calculate its value from parity # 3) Write the data back into the sector ( $component{"array_chunk"}, $component{"chunk_offset"}, $component{"stripe"}, $component{"parity_device"} ) = &getInfoForComponentAddress($component{"sector"}, $component{"device"}); foreach my $KEY (keys(%component)) { print $KEY . " => " . $component{$KEY} . "\n"; } # We started with the information on the bad sector, and now we know how it fits into the array # Lets see if we can fix the bad sector with the information at hand # Build up the list of devices to xor in order to derive our value my $xor_count = -1; for (my $i = 0; $i <= $#array_components; $i++) { # skip ourselves as we roll through next if ($component{"device"} eq $array_components[$i]); # skip the parity chunk as we roll through next if ($component{"parity_device"} eq $array_components[$i]); $xor_devices{++$xor_count} = $array_components[$i]; print "Adding xor device " . $array_components[$i] . " as xor device " . $xor_count . "\n"; } # If we are not the parity device, put the parity device at the end if (!($component{"device"} eq $component{"parity_device"})) { $xor_devices{++$xor_count} = $component{"parity_device"}; print "Adding parity device " . $component{"parity_device"} . " as xor device " . $xor_count . "\n"; } # pre-calculate the device offset, and initialize the xor buffer my $device_offset = $component{"stripe"} * $sectors_per_chunk; my $xor_result = "0" x ($sectors_per_chunk * 512); # Read in the chunks and feed them into the xor buffer for (my $i = 0; $i <= $xor_count; $i++) { print "Reading in chunk on stripe " . $component{"stripe"} . " (sectors " . $device_offset . " - " . ($device_offset + $sectors_per_chunk) . ") of device " . $xor_devices{$i} . "\n"; # Open the device and read this chunk in open(DEVICE, "<" . $xor_devices{$i}) || die "Unable to open device " . $xor_devices{$i} . ": " . $! . "\n"; seek(DEVICE, $device_offset, 0) || die "Unable to seek to " . $device_offset . " device " . $xor_devices{$i} . ": " . $! . "\n"; read(DEVICE, $data, ($sectors_per_chunk * 512)) || die "Unable to read device " . $xor_devices{$1} . ": " . $! . "\n"; close(DEVICE); # Convert binary to hex for printing my $hexdata = unpack("H*", pack ("B*", $data)); #print "Got data '" . $hexdata . "' from device " . $xor_devices{$i} . "\n"; # xor the data in there $xor_result ^= $data; } my $hex_xor_result = unpack("H*", pack ("B*", $xor_result)); #print "got hex xor result '" . $hex_xor_result . "'\n"; ######################################################################################### # Testing only - # Check to see if the result I got is the same as what is in the block open (DEVICE, "<" . $component{"device"}) || die "Unable to open device " . $compoent{"device"} . ": " . $! . "\n"; seek(DEVICE, $device_offset, 0) || die "Unable to seek to " . $device_offset . " device " . $xor_devices{$i} . ": " . $! . "\n"; read(DEVICE, $data, ($sectors_per_chunk * 512)) || die "Unable to read device " . $xor_devices{$1} . ": " . $! . "\n"; close(DEVICE); # Convert binary to hex for printing my $hexdata = unpack("H*", pack ("B*", $data)); #print "Got data '" . $hexdata . "' from device " . $component{"device"} . "\n"; # Do the comparison, and report what we've got if (!($hexdata eq $hex_xor_result)) { print "The value from the device, and the computed value from parity are inequal for some reason...\n"; } else { print "Device value matches what we computed from other devices. Score!\n"; } ######################################################################################### # Given an array component, a sector address in that component, we want # 1) the disk/sector combination for the start of its stripe # 2) the disk/sector combination for the start of its parity sub getInfoForComponentAddress() { # Get our arguments into (hopefully) well-named variables my $sector = shift(); my $device = shift(); print "determining info for sector " . $sector . " on " . $device . "\n"; # Get the stripe number my $stripe = int($sector / $sectors_per_chunk); print "stripe number is " . $stripe . "\n"; # Get the offset in the stripe my $chunk_offset = $sector % $sectors_per_chunk; print "chunk offset is " . $chunk_offset . "\n"; # See what device index our device is my $device_index = 0; for ($i = 0; $i <= $#array_components; $i++) { if ($device eq $array_components[$i]) { $device_index = $i; print "This disk is device " . $device_index . " in the array\n"; } } # Figure out which disk holds parity for this stripe # FIXME only handling the default left-asymmetric style right now my $parity_device_index = ($#array_components) - ($stripe % ($#array_components + 1)); print "parity device index for stripe " . $stripe . " is " . $parity_device_index . "\n"; my $parity_device = $array_components[$parity_device_index]; # Figure out which chunk of the array this is # FIXME only handling the default left-asymmetric style right now my $array_chunk = $stripe * ($#array_components + 1) + $device_index; if ($device_index > $parity_device_index) { $array_chunk -= ($#array_components + 1); } # Check for the special case where this device *is* the parity device and return special if ($device_index == $parity_device_index) { $array_chunk = -1; } return ( $array_chunk, $chunk_offset, $stripe, $parity_device ); } --------------060709090204050209070306-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html