-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2005 02:05 PM, Alvin Oga wrote: > hi ya clemen > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote: > > >>On 01/05/2005 11:44 PM, Alvin Oga wrote: >> >> >>>you're buying bad hardware from bad vendors >> >>seriously, thats just wrong. Ever heard of IBM "death"start HDs? Or >>other stuff? As long as you use IDE hardware you are always close to >>fail, IDE hardware is done to put much data on cheap disks. > > > the "deathstar" ( from thailand to be specific ) disks are the exception > and the worst of the bunch > > majority of all my dead disks are scsi disks .. > - the so called better scsi is in fact worst probably > because it runs hotter ( spinning faster ) > where cooling the case will not help the ball bearings > or cooling the disk controller's chips > > ( scsi: seagate, ibm, fujitsu, .. > ( ide: seagate, ibm, fujitsu, wd, maxtor, quantum ... Since I do SysAdmin as a "get money for it" service I had not a single SCSI disk die (call it luck). But I saw so many dead IDE disks, that I never ever will use IDE stuff in a mission critical or any system that has to run more reliable. I think SCSI disks are built for longer usage, and the thing "faster -> hotter" for SCSI disks is bullshit. IDE disks run also ~7.500 and more. I have a bunch of 15K SCSI disks in use and the rest is 10K SCSI disks, they (10K) run since 3.5 years without a problem. > and most of my ide disks are approaching 8-10 years and no problems > though most of the cpu's or mb have long since been offline for > too slow of a cpu -- most all are in offices or 65F server rooms well thats another imporant thing. Where are those boxes. If you store them in an un-airconditioned room, that is in a building with a central heating, and in a country where you have >2 Months of >30C a day. Then you just call for a server problem. > how you build systems does make a difference.. > - lots of fans ( at least 2 per ide disk, just in case one dies ) > ( that is the same as with scsi .. now you can compare ) well, "I", never build a single Server. I buy them from HP, Supermicro, etc. I am out of the "build all myself" age ... >>A expensive vendor doesn't help you from crappy HW insealf. > > lots ... 90% f crappy vendors ... > - bad disk or wrong disks > - bad mb or wrong mb > - bad nic or wrong nic > - or no rma number to return bad parts > - .. on and on .. > > - i buy thru tier1 distributors and don't have any "noticeable" bad parts > ( maybe .1% failure ( doa )) over 1,000s of ide disks in the past year > or two and lasts way past its warranty period still, you are not save of bad parts, you are perhaps more save to get them replaced with more trustworthy distributors. - -- [ Clemens Schwaighofer -----=====:::::~ ] [ TBWA\ && TEQUILA\ Japan IT Group ] [ 6-17-2 Ginza Chuo-ku, Tokyo 104-0061, JAPAN ] [ Tel: +81-(0)3-3545-7703 Fax: +81-(0)3-3545-7343 ] [ http://www.tequila.co.jp http://www.tbwajapan.co.jp ] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7fTLjBz/yQjBxz8RAqyRAJ90VF9uAbmyh4bfJaGho/CN/aTyQgCg4aqK PWGToqzGBLgKHgolF2fqp/Y= =woCo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
