hi ya michael On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Michael Tokarev wrote: > The drive IS reporting read errors in most cases. and by the time it reports an error ... its too late ... - one has to play detective and figure out why the error occured and prevent it next time - the worst possible thing to do is .. "disk seems to be dying" so 95% of the people say backup the disks .. -- its too too late -- exercising a dead/dying disks will only aggravate the problem even more - luckily, most "disks errors" are silly errors - bad (cheap, not-too-specs) ide cables - 80 conductor vs 40 conductor - combining 2 different ata speed drives on the same idea cable - too long of an ide cable ... 18" is max - disk running too hot ... if its warm to the touch, its too hot ( 35C is maybe okay .. use hddtemp to see what its running at ) - bent disk cables - bad (electrical characteristics) of the ide drivers from the motherboard - ... on and on ... - todays drives are 1000x better quality than 5-10 years ago > so things are screwed. Just like if you hot-remove a DIMM while the > system is running: those that do hot-swap of memory deserve what they get :-) ( i know you're joking ... and i've seen it done by forgetful admins - these atx power supplies are bad for that reason, since the motherboard is still live, even if the pc is off, due to standby voltages floating around > The talks isn't about > "undetectable" (unreported etc) errors here, but about the fact that > the error is here. the trick is to find out what caused the error ... - if you dont figure out what happened ... the problem will continue have fun raiding alvin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html