errors Re: ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard)

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hi ya michael

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Michael Tokarev wrote:

> The drive IS reporting read errors in most cases.

and by the time it reports an error ... its too late ...

- one has to play detective and figure out why the error occured
  and prevent it next time

- the worst possible thing to do is .. "disk seems to be dying"
  so 95% of the people say backup the disks ..
	-- its too too late
	-- exercising a dead/dying disks will only aggravate the
	problem even more

- luckily, most "disks errors" are silly errors
	- bad (cheap, not-too-specs) ide cables
	- 80 conductor vs 40 conductor
	- combining 2 different ata speed drives on the same idea cable
	- too long of an ide cable ... 18" is max
	- disk running too hot ... if its warm to the touch,
	its too hot
	( 35C is maybe okay .. use hddtemp to see what its running at )
	- bent disk cables 
	- bad (electrical characteristics) of the ide drivers from the
	motherboard
	- ... on and on ...

	- todays drives are 1000x better quality than 5-10 years ago

> so things are screwed.  Just like if you hot-remove a DIMM while the
> system is running:

those that do hot-swap of memory deserve what they get :-)
( i know you're joking ... and i've seen it done by forgetful admins
	- these atx power supplies are bad for that reason, since
	the motherboard is still live, even if the pc is off, due to
	standby voltages floating around

>  The talks isn't about
> "undetectable" (unreported etc) errors here, but about the fact that
> the error is here.

the trick is to find out what caused the error ... 
	- if you dont figure out what happened ... the problem will 
	continue 

have fun raiding
alvin

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