On 08/31/2011 11:40 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: > 'Twas brillig, and David Henningsson at 31/08/11 10:05 did gyre and gimble: >> On 07/04/2011 10:19 AM, David Henningsson wrote: >>> On 2011-07-03 15:00, Colin Guthrie wrote: >>>> 'Twas brillig, and David Henningsson at 01/07/11 14:03 did gyre and >>>> gimble: >>>>> I wonder if we're better off with the attached patch. I've seen more >>>>> than one system where the volume control named "Front" is a part of >>>>> audio path for headphones. The attached patch would be somewhat of a >>>>> compromise: While we don't merge it into the path, as that would be >>>>> regressing machines where "Front" isn't a part of the audio path, it >>>>> would still enable sound on these machines. The question is if "Front" >>>>> is turning on some output it shouldn't on some machines, but I think it >>>>> wouldn't: this should (for all common systems I can think of) be fixed >>>>> through the driver's auto-mute anyway. >>>> >>>> Seems like a reasonable compromise to me, but does anyone else have any >>>> opinions on this? Or perhaps any cases where regressions could be >>>> caused? >>>> >>>> (see my latest comment on the path_set_condense() method which checks >>>> volume use for OFF which could actually get in the way here!!) >>>> >>>>> The other option would be to quirk every single machine that has this >>>>> problem to a separate udev rule -> profile-set -> path .conf file. >>>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Yeah I really don't like that option. If we do need some quirks here I'd >>>> much rather see them implemented in a more fine grained way than with >>>> udev rules... as it's a bit of blunt object. But ideally avoid it >>>> altogether. >>>> >>>> Col >>>> >>> >>> Ok, here's a patch properly formatted for inclusion. >> >> After having seen yet another with the same problem, I have now included >> this patch in Ubuntu. > > I presume you don't mean the latter option (udev quirks)? > > If it's the first one, we should probably carry it upstream until a > better solution is available. I'd rather do it once in a blessed way > (even if it's a work around) than having different quirks in different > distros if possible (makes generic upstream support easier). Yes, I recommend applying the previously submitted patch [1] in PulseAudio upstream, sorry if that was unclear. [1] See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2011-July/010521.html -- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. http://launchpad.net/~diwic