Yeh good point, I work with several guys over Europe and what I earn is litrelly double in their countries, they also get paid more then me because of their status in the projects. That's anoying for me as my cost of living is alot higher. I see what your saying and there is no magic fix for it, apart from employers being more understanding T Pete wrote: > > In message <48BA7185.4090803@xxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:48BA7185.4090803%40gript.co.uk>>, Tom Whitbread > <tom@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tom%40gript.co.uk>> writes > >No offense, I'm not being racist or stereotypical but in my experience > >it is a solid fact that outsourcing your software development will > >result in atleast 2 of these 3. > > I live in Spain, where wages are very low, by European standards, and > there are not so many jobs. So I work self-employed for clients across > the world. So in one sense, I am speaking for the other side. > > >As the saying goes "you get what you pay for", > > Now THAT is surely the crux of the matter. > > Whether you are in Spain, China, US, England, whatever, and whatever you > do, if you can get work for $50, you are not likely to work for $3. > > And if you work for $3, it's because you can't get $50. > > And in a global economy, it has nothing to do with where you live, it > has everything to do with your skills, both technical and business. > > I remember a contract in 1992, where I was told to make the most of it, > because in a couple of years there would be no work for IT people in the > UK. They were having staff work remotely, with a supervisor on site in > the UK. They told me that all work would be outsourced to cheaper > countries by 1994. > > I wasn't worried then, I am not worried now. > > > it also obscene to say > >this is a global marketplace so lets lower our prices. This is a global > >marketplace to like any building contractors, refining processor or > >factory lets have unions and standardized rates. IMO It makes perfect > >sense as then it is a level playing field. > > It wouldn't make a level playing field if you make wages globally the > same (is that what you meant?). > > Here, I can live much better for that money, than in the UK, where I > used to live. > > And that means that *everyone* will come here, and spoil it <G> > > -- > Pete Clark > > Sunny Andalucia > http://hotcosta.com/Andalucia.Spain <http://hotcosta.com/Andalucia.Spain> > >