How about "long" dayname? I find it interesting that the character for "Day of the month without leading zeros" is j, which makes sense to me as a half-Francophone who sometimes calls days "jours". Not that it helps me remember it, I have to refer to that page pretty much every time I use date(). Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php