Christopher Lee wrote: > I am new to PHP and wanted to ask a question which I think is related to this discussion thread. What are you referring to when using the term "PHP Framework?" I downloaded Eclipse-JEE with PHP Development Tools. Would this development environment constitute a PHP Framework? Eclipse IS more a 'development environment' (IDE) than a framework ... The key element to a framework is that it provides the basic functionality in you applications, so in my own case it provides user management, database access, templating via the smarty library. Some of the frameworks such as zend also link in with Eclipse via their own plugins, others actually run under PHP and provide development tools 'internally' of which codeigniter is probably a good example. My own 'interpretation' of framework is the core on which you build the extra bits you want. It provides in my case the 'MVC (Model / View / Controller)' elements and all the tools to make my 'frilly bits' work. So I use ADOdb and Smarty wrapped in bitweaver ... not the most modern of setups, but I know how it works internally so changing would be pointless ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php