> -----Original Message----- > From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperling@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:19 AM > To: Daevid Vincent; php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: In need of CVS/SVN checkout script for > Production servers [solved] > > At 1:10 PM -0700 5/4/10, Daevid Vincent wrote: > >Well, here is the one I'm using. I ended up just writing one (again!) > > > >http://www.daevid.com/content/examples/snippets.php :: "Production > >Deployment Script" > > What?!? > > Advanced features?? > > I know you don't mean it, but you certainly know how to piss people > off. You are not going to like what I have to say, but please accept > the following as constructive criticism with no personal intent meant. > > The site fails W3C CSS validation with 96 errors. > > The site fails W3C HTML validation with 92 errors and 9 warnings. > > I have not run into a site like this since before the turn of this > century where we had browser wars. The problem isn't just with my > browser, but many more as you can see here: > > http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=516739 > > The page (not addressing the entire site) is riddled with embedded > javascript and embedded styling both of which are considered bad from. > > I haven't even addressed accessibility, graceful degradation, or > separation of content from presentation from behavior all of which > are the goals of "best practices" sites -- and all of which this site > fails miserably. > > My advice, which I realize that you didn't ask for, is if you want to > provide something of substance, then do so for all and not just the > privileged elite who think they are the leading edge with this type > of "gimmick" nonsense. This site is a step backward into the old > browser wars. > > Of course, I could tell you what I really think, but I don't want to > be too abrasive. :-) > > Cheers, > > tedd *sigh* once again you people focus on something SOOOO off topic compared to the meat of the thread -- which is a production repository checkout script. As for my site. [*] I wrote it like 4 years ago or more when there were TWO browsers worth mentioning: IE and FF. [*] I used a 3rd party JS library from www.ceiton.com -- who are pretty much dormant. [*] The cieton code is not only compressed and impossible to debug, but often written in German! [*] I've looked at it a few times over the years to try and remove the limitation, because I also agree that most modern browsers should be able to handle the JS at this point. [*] I really don't care about the fringe browsers of Chrome, Opera, Konquerer, Blackberry, whatever (for my PERSONAL HOME PAGE) [*] http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp [*] http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0 [*] I'm sorry your using a browser that falls under the top 25%. In fact ALL the browsers besides IE and FF don't even add up to 16% of the ENTIRE market. Give me a break man. I've got more important things to do. [*] If you don't have Firefox, well then let me tell you where to go download it for free: http://www.mozilla.com They make it for all major OS's in case you didn't know. [*] Honestly, I also dislike Apple. I think it's stupid for them to make a browser. I think they make crappy products. I HATE my iPod. I am a Linux guy (or was until I realized my time was too valuable to keep wasting on Linux as a Desktop), and WANTED to LOVE OSX. I sold the damn notebook after a month of owning it. OSX blows. It's too dumbed down IMHO (as is Windows7, but that's another topic). In light of recent events where they fired a guy for showing that even more stupid iPad (great, a big iPhone that can't even call) to Wozniak and then going after Gizmodo, I have even more distain for them. So I really have no care to support them in any way shape or form. If the site works for Safari, fine. If not, oh well, change your USER_AGENT string or get Firefox/IE. As for CSS, inline styles, separation of logic, and all that other stuff you ASSUME I don't use -- you are very wrong. I just happen to use a lot of PHP to dynamically create various parts. In some cases I inline styles where they are used one time or used in a PHP function. I freely admit that there is some archaic code there too. Code that I'm not about to go back and re-factor at this stage. I know much more now than I did then. I would certainly do things differently, and the next time I get a wild-hair up my ass and a few days of that elusive commodity known as "free time" to code up a new design I will. Again, this is my personal site that's only purpose is to show some pictures and other random shit. And with all due respect Tedd -- as I know you're an icon here and I've learned many things from you myself. If I had to choose between my daevid.com site and one of the three you (presumably) illustrate as beacons of "the way to do it" (http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com), then I would take my site any day of the week. These three sites harkon back to the days of command line Linx/Links and text based web pages in Mosaic using blue hyperlinks with purple visited indicators, gray backgrounds and <blink> tags. Of course your sites degrade nicely, they're ALL one step up from a page of text. The scream "elitist" W3C/Linux user. Yuk. -Daevid. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
