Re: Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?

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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Peter Lind <peter.e.lind@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 25 March 2010 20:09, Tommy Pham <tommyhp2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Lind <peter.e.lind@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On 25 March 2010 19:37, Tommy Pham <tommyhp2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Tommy Pham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Per Jessen <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> * If you could implement threads and run those same queries in 2+
>>>>>>>> threads, the total time saved from queries execution is 1/2 sec or
>>>>>>>> more, which is pass along as the total response time reduced.  Is it
>>>>>>>> worth it for you implement threads if you're a speed freak?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use mysqlnd - asynchronous mysql queries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're assuming that everyone in the PHP world uses MySQL 4.1 or
>>>>>> newer.  What about those who don't?
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't get to use threading, nor asynchronous mysql queries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on, you're asking about a future feature in PHP 7.x , but would
>>>>> like to support someone who is seriously backlevel on mysql??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about MySQL 4.0 or older.  I'm talking about other
>>>> RDBMS.  I think you should open your eyes a bit wider and take a look
>>>> at the bigger picture (Firebird, MSSQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, etc).
>>>
>>> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pg-send-query.php
>>>
>>> Looks to me like the PHP postgresql library already handles that. Not
>>> to mention: you're not presenting an argument for threads, you're
>>> presenting an argument for implementing asynchronous queries in the
>>> other DBMS libraries.
>>>
>>> Of course, the problem could also be solved by introducing threads in
>>> PHP. I'd personally guess modifying DBMS libraries would be less
>>> costly, but as I haven't been involved in writing the PHP code my
>>> guess isn't worth much.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>> I'm presenting the argument for threading.  Per is presenting the work
>> around using asynchronous queries via mysqlnd.  I did read that link a
>> few days ago, "Although the user can send multiple queries at once,
>> multiple queries cannot be sent over a busy connection. If a query is
>> sent while the connection is busy, it waits until the last query is
>> finished and discards all its results."  Which sounds like threads ->
>> multiple connections to not run into that problem.
>>
>
> Have you looked into what it would cost in development to improve the
> library? Have you compared that to the cost in development to
> introduce threads into PHP? No, I don't think you're presenting the
> argument for threading - but I don't expect you to see it that way.
>

Aren't all feature requests must be analyzed the same way?  Example,
namespace, how many of us actually uses it now when there is an
alternative solution- subfolders - that we've been using since who
knows how long.  I don't know if threads was asked a feature prior
namespace was implemented.

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