From: Luke > 2009/9/1 Martin Scotta <martinscotta@xxxxxxxxx> > >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, tedd <tedd.sperling@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > At 9:06 PM -0400 8/31/09, Paul M Foster wrote: >> > >> >> I'm sorry, but is anyone else annoyed by people who attempt to use IRC >> >> jargon on mailing lists? For example, substituting "u" for "you". Oddly >> >> enough, I'm seeing this primarily in foreign language posters, not in >> >> native English speakers. It's often accompanied by English so broken I >> >> don't even bother trying to decypher it, and sometimes an *attitude* >> >> (after which, I blacklist the poster). >> >> >> >> Am I the only one? It's okay if I am. Just wondering. >> >> >> >> Paul >> > >> > Paul: >> > >> > u r not the only 1. I h8 that 2! >> > >> > l8er :) >> > >> > tedd >> > >> Yo estoy de acuerdo en que respetar el idioma es importante, aunque claro, >> redactando sobre la computadora tiene ciertos "beneficios". Yo, por >> ejemplo, >> evito utilizar acentos. >> >> Entiendo que pueda molestarles el hecho de las comunes abreviaturas. Eso es >> lo malo del lenguaje. Es de todos y, al mismo tiempo, de nadie. Nadie puede >> cambiarlo individualmente, sólo se puede mutar a través de su uso por parte >> la población, éste va cambiando día a día. >> >> Lamentablemente, a mi modo de ver, los mas jóvenes son quienes incurren en >> este tipo de acciones, y no se reduce solamente al ingles, creo que este >> fenómeno se da tambien en otros lenguajes (supongo) impulsado por la >> deficiencia de los métodos de ingreso de texto de dispositivos moviles. >> >> ¿Por que utilizo el español? Después de todo hay una lista para ello. >> El mundo en internet esté en ingles y yo, como hispano-hablante debi pasar >> por un proceso de varios años para poder lograr entender, hablar y luego >> redactar en ingles. ¿pasaron ustedes por el mismo proceso para participar >> en >> esta lista? >> >> Aqui somos muchos, de diferentes paises y culturas, lo importante -a mi >> modo >> de ver- es la comunicación, no el medio o la forma. Con lo cual esta >> recriminación carece totalmente de sentido. >> >> Es realmente triste que en una lista de un lenguaje de "codigo abierto" que >> pregona la libre participación y el mutuo beneficio a través de "compartir >> conocimiento" se realize semejante acotación; aunque mucho mas triste es >> que >> una persona oficialmente perteneciente a dicha comunidad se sume a dicho >> reclamo. >> >> Please do not reply that It's a English based list. >> Or is it allowed to discriminate here? >> >> As a non-english speaker I feel very uncomfortable with this thread. >> >> With the best intentions for the community, sincerely yours, >> >> Martin Scotta >> Spanish Speaker >> > > I don't think we were implicating anyone in particular for this kind of > behaviour, Martin, I'm certainly not. > > I'm a 'young person' myself (being 17) and do not under any circumstances > write in such a way purely because it's harder to understand. > > To be honest, on this list it is mostly the foreign people that tend to use > 'u' and such, is it discriminatory to state a fact? > > -- > Luke Slater But is it a fact that can be verified and documented or merely a common impression? Be that as it may, the purpose of this list is to communicate. We all come here to get or give help. It is difficult to do that when questions or answers are not expressed clearly. If it is too difficult to read the question, fewer people are likely to make an effort to understand it well enough to reply. So the more effort that goes into making a request readable, the more likely there will be useful replies. This is a trade off that many of us have to make every day, no matter what language(s) we are comfortable with. Ever hold a verbal conversation with a Texan, a Bostonian and an Australian all at once? But often even English speakers have problems expressing themselves in written form. It appears to me that most high schools in the USofA stopped teaching grammar sometime in the late 1970's. This is actually one of the better lists that I read regularly. Texting abbreviations are simply the most recent form of corruption. 133t 5p34k is even worse. Don't even get me started on homonyms. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
