On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:28:32 +0100, ash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ashley Sheridan) wrote:
.......
>> >> Nested tables are the devils playthings!
>>
>> I must be the devil, then. I enjoy playing with them. And if they're done right they
>> seem to work on every system I have tried them on. Granted Dreamweaver design mode gets
>> its knickers in a knot if you nest them more than about 4 deep.
>>
...........
>>
>> That's the joy of HTML errors - often the output will appear normal until you make some
>> minor, and apparently irrelevant, change, when it all goes haywire.
>>
>>
>That's not the only point. If you're on a slow connection you'll notice
>the issue. Some browsers only start displaying the page once all the
>layout data has been loaded. I've seen some sites with nesting levels of
>7 tables deep sometimes, and that's just a mess. I'm also unsure how
>text/speech/Braille browsers deal with complex table sites too.
I once watched a blind man go through one of my sites. I was apprehensive because I had no
made no attempt to achieve compatibility, and had not bothered with any alt = ''
declarations. The images were all in their own tables, and they all had titles, and he
said that because of this the site was relatively good.
>
>And tables shouldn't be used for layout, use CSS instead!...
I was talking to another web designer last night. He started life as a designer, and said
that he liked CSS because it was written by designers. On the other hand I started life
as a programmer (well I really started life as an engineer), and I find CSS hard to
understand, and harder to write. I can readily produce what I want with tables, but I
have no idea how I could achieve many of the results I get with CSS alone.
How, for example, could I otherwise achieved the following effect, which displays an image
with a border slightly darker than the background, and with the title and subtitle inside
the border?
<table class="pfm">
<tr>
<td>
<img src="Images/Nxxxxx.jpg" width="210" height="300">
<p class="nrmltextn">Yanni Nxxxxx </p>
<p class="notetextn">Sally Riordan Scholarship, 2007- </p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
(And the thing that really astounds me about CSS is that they never thought of putting in
constants. Instead of being able to specify a set of colours, and then simply quote them
in the CSS whenever they are needed, I have to specify them in PHP, and then encode them
into the CSS every time I use them, which is a real pain in the XXXX. The total lack of
diagnostics is another real pain.)
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