Robert Cummings wrote:
Michael wrote:
Paul M Foster wrote:
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 09:30:18AM -0700, Kyle Terry wrote:
<snip>
I don't mean to be the thread spirit killer, but I think another
language
would be better for this. Such as Python.
PHP desktop apps might be fun to hack around with, but I wouldn't
use it for
a production application.
I've coded a bit in Python, and parts of it really annoy me. I much
prefer PHP, as it's more C-ish.
Why wouldn't you use PHP for production applications?
Paul
Why wouldnt you? Besides the design of PHP generally being completely
against it? PHP is not designed to be run continuously in
infinite-loop (while true) scenarios...
Citation?
see the history of php development and use
it's threading support is poor and it's memory
What does threading support have to do with running something in an
infinite loop? What if I don't need threads?
handing and library are geared almost exclusively towards
web-programming.
I dunno, I've written amultitude of shell/cron scripts in PHP that
leverage the codebase already written for the web application.
i wasnt arguing against cron-scripts, these are 'run-once' sort of
things which php handles well. they dont run for minutes let alone hours.
If you want to compile it, or use it in a .NET/Java context... fine
(see phc, etc.). The language itself can handle it, but the standard
implementation *shouldnt*.
Why?
for the reasons detailed in this post. using web-oriented php as a
desktop programming language is a magnitude of dumb perhaps only
eclipsed by the smarty programming language
In anycase other languages have much better support of desktop and
network programming, entire libraries and communities have been
developed around it. Preferably use Python/Java/etc. though C has its
place.
As I've said before, ones place in the sun can't be identified if one
never tries sitting in the sun. It's hard to grasp the proverbial brass
ring if you never extend your reach.
There are good reasons why php isnt "in the sun" (ie. used for desktop
programming), as i've listed. If you'd care to learn a few other
languages the reasons would be immediately obvious, python can be learnt
in a few days - try it.
Cheers,
Rob.
The standard PHP execution model is geared almost exclusively towards
web-used (though crons etc. are reasonable)... that is, to sit in/with a
server and handle requests... to operate over, at maximum, "insane"
lifespans of 30 seconds.
There are languages designed to be used for desktop programming, and for
various tasks in general. The smart thing would be to use them. PHP may
be a hammer, but every problem is not a nail.
Use the tools designed for the job.
Michael
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