Well, bummer. I *seriously* need to divine a way to increase my efficiency both immediately and for the long term as I maintain tomorrow the applications I build today. For the new-to-frameworks, is there a better/easier framework to use that will streamline the development process from the beginning? I've looked at Codeigniter and LOVE the user guide/documentation...the underlying philosophy of that product looks very attractive too. Any others? I'd love to have the time to 'play around' with one or more of these to get an idea of strengths/weaknesses...but due to schedule and commitments, this 'playing around' is going to have to take place in the production, for-hire context. Surely we're all familiar with 'on the job training', right? ; ) John Corry > ZF isn't going to save you any time on a single project. The time > savings is over time with multiple projects where everything is > organized the same way, code sharing, new developers not having to > learn something new each time, etc. It is also one of the hardest to > actually use too since it can be customized on any part of it. I'd > recommend it though because it does have a good community, lots of > eyes on it, frequent releases, & docs > .... > There's a lot more to this discussion though. So keep researching and > trying different ones out... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php