Re: searching by tags....

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Ashley Sheridan schreef:
> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 00:58 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
>> Ashley Sheridan wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 01:17 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote:
>>>> Nathan Rixham schreef:
>>>>> Ashley Sheridan wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 14:54 -0700, Ryan S wrote:
>>>>>>> quite a few sites seem to have a very neat way of implementing this
>>>>>>> with (url rewriting?) something like
>>>>>>> http://sitename/blog/tags/tag-comes-here/
>>>>>> As for getting those search terms, well a link in a page can contain GET
>>>>>> values, such as http://www.somedomain.com/blog?tag=search_term .
>>>>>> Alternatively, you could use mod-rewrite to rewrite the URL and turn the
>>>>>> path into tag variables. This is the same as the above but with the
>>>>>> added benefit that users can type in tags directly more easily, and
>>>>>> there are apparently benefits for SEO with this method as well (but I'm
>>>>>> not sure how true that is)
>>>>> it's very true; from the google webmaster guidelines:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you decide to use dynamic pages (i.e., the URL contains a "?"
>>>>> character), be aware that not every search engine spider crawls dynamic
>>>>> pages as well as static pages. It helps to keep the parameters short and
>>>>> the number of them few.
>>>>>
>>>>> previously it was text along the lines of "google doesn't index all
>>>>> pages with query parameters, so avoid them where possible"
>>>>>
>>>>> additionally one of the weightier points in categorising pages within
>>>>> the SERPS is the text in the url (especially if the page is actually
>>>>> about /the_tag_in_the_url : see http://www.google.com/search?q=tags)
>>>> 								^-- some what ironic :-)
>>>>
>>> Yeah I saw that too...
>>>
>>> What always gets me is that forums always feature really high on search
>>> results, and I've yet to see one of these forums use URL rewriting! I
>>> really think this belief about query-less URLs being more search engine
>>> friendly is outdated.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ash
>>> www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>>>
>> a search engines main job is to send people to what they are looking 
>> for, not what an seo has determined they should be seeing, as such 
>> "content is king".
>>
>> Forums, lists and newsgroups tend to hold more specific content on 
>> exactly what the user is searching for, hence why google shows it high 
>> (as it's one of the few documents on the net which relate most directly 
>> to what was searched for [long tail search terms]); additionally all the 
>> aforementioned often have a trail of replies; sometimes this is a bonus 
>> as the replies repeat the keyword terms; however sometimes it's to the 
>> detriment, particularly when they wander off topic.
>>
>> It's also worth noting that sites which update frequently, especially 
>> those who update sitemaps and send out pings get crawled more frequently 
>> and thus indexed faster. On hot-topics this has a knock on effect, the 
>> posts get crawled by scrapers and content harvesters and re-published 
>> (often with a link back) - and this helps as the vote count for the 
>> original forum post goes up due to the link backs + the original source 
>> is detected as such and given prominence over the copies (most of the time).
>>
>> Further people take care to title their posts/messages correctly in 
>> order to attract answers quickly, this text is then repeated on the 
>> forum page in all the prominent places (title, permalink, heading 
>> tags..) and further still, the post/message is normally perfectly 
>> matched to the user specified title - so it's natural seo at it's best. 
>> (Worth having a read up on contextual and semantic analysis as well)
>>
>> Next up, the sites weight, as forums often have thousands (or hundreds 
>> of thousands) of pages/posts, and high volume traffic, the site is 
>> deemed more important and thus higher ranking, which brings in more 
>> traffic and so it spirals. On this note it's also worth considering that 
>> google track what you click on so if searchers continually click item 3 
>> in the search results, over time they'll move it up as it's been classed 
>> as most accurate for that search (more.. obviously due to wide use of 
>> analytics and checking when a user comes back to the results to click 
>> another they can also harvest accuracy data by comparing bounce rates 
>> etc and adjust accordingly).
>>
>> so much more on this subject but that's about the top and bottom of it 
>> in this scenario.
>>
>> *yawn* getting late
>>
> You're preaching to the converted on this topic, I've already put
> together a couple of articles on my site about it in the past. What I
> was saying was that the sites that seem to feature so prominently on
> listings were in fact using querystring URLs; the very thing that SEO
> guides tell us not to use. I think it's just an outdated belief that URL
> rewriting is better, as clearly it doesn't ever seem to be.

obviously the converted weren't listening.

> 
> 
> 
> Ash
> www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> 
> 


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