At the risk of extending this already looong thread... Ah, screw it. I actually read all of the Radicore documentation on Monday following someone's suggestion last week about module access control. That was before this thread got started, BTW. Now I'm not a Framework guy at all, and I don't know nor have ever communicated with Tony, but I was very impressed with the level of sophistication and conceptual richness of the Radicore Framework, his insight and solutions for common issues such as users hitting the 'browser back button' and having multiple, open instances of a web page, differentiation in usage of GET and POST, and session management in particular. I'm happy to entertain and play along with threads that drift into meta-topic struggles, but honestly, let's not lose the forest for the trees. There's good stuff in Radicore, as I'm sure there are in some other frameworks. -- -David. When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php