If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000 transactions. Because I used a proper framework I managed to complete all of this in just 6 months. The framework allowed me to generate initial working components without having to write any code whatsoever - no PHP, no HTML and no SQL - so that I could spend the bulk of my time on the really important stuff, which is implementing the business rules. That is the benefit of a proper framework - it takes care of the boring repetitive stuff and leaves you more time to deal with the tricky stuff. If you think you can achieve the same level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. -- Tony Marston http://www.tonymarston.net http://www.radicore.org "paragasu" <paragasu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:89b35b8d0804220225t3820a279vb81cb04b416a9480@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding. > i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter. > I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next > project. > > the thing is, i already develop few working library. no matter how hard i > look into it. i always find it is easier or simpler to work with just php > code and it work just fine. > simple code and i think faster than using complicated php framework. > > i target my code to use specific server configuration. the only > advantages > of using framework > is cross server version (i don't need it). since everyone out there > talking > about framework. > i still prefer using just php. > > i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way. > anyone out there still doing php without using framework? > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php