Glad I read threads that I don't care about or I wouldn't have found out about Firebug! I just installed it, very cool! Also, considering the price of oil/gas, I'm sorry that the 'war for oil' didn't work out the way we had hoped. You would have thought we would have learned in WWII when we started the 'war for strudel'. Have you seen the price of strudel? It went up during WWII and has continued to rise. I would call you a dumb ass, but you seem very knowledgeable in PHP and I may need some help in the future :-) Jochem Maas wrote: > Daevid Vincent schreef: >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jochem Maas [mailto:jochem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, >>> January 31, 2008 8:19 AM >>> To: richardh@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> Cc: PHP General List >>> Subject: Re: PEAR website and MSIE 6 >>> >>> Richard Heyes schreef: >>>>> firefox not an option? >>>> Nope. >>>> >>>> > or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) >>>> >>>> Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... >> >> Yes. http://pear.php.net crashes my IE6 too. This is a problem with the >> site, not the browser. >>> seriously though - why is FF (or any other browser) not an option? your >>> a web developer, I would imagine you should be running a complete >>> arsenal of >>> different browsers as part of the job, no? >>> and then there's the question as to why you don't upgrade to IE7. >> >> Please stop with the browser wars. > > it's not browser wars - it's pragmatism - thinking aloud about how to > get round the issue - I'm assuming Richard does have access to the PEAR > site's > source files or the means to upload them to the PEAR webserver. > > They're boring and tired and serve no >> purpose. IE6 is fast and launches in 1 second. FF takes many seconds. >> IE7 is >> also a bloated pig and I will be very sad in 15 days when M$ FORCES >> everyone >> to it. IE also has very nice DirectX rendering filters for gradients. >> >>> or maybe rebuild the windows machine in question (hey it wouldn't be >>> the first time something >>> like this was helped by a clean install right?) >> >> It is NOT the OS. It is the PEAR site itself that is to blame. There is >> clearly some code or tag or something that is causing this failure. > > let's see now - a webserver outputs some content, it may be invalid. a > browser > crashes upon trying to render the content. hmm, sounds to me like the > problem is > in the browser, decent software should crash because of shitty input. > > granted if the PEAR just didn't render properly or caused 'invalid > XML/XHTML/whatever' > message in the browser then yes it would be the site's problem. but > until the browser > is capable of saying 'hey this content is junk, I can't use it [because > of XYZ]' then > really the first issue is with that browser. > > it's same at the server end - if your browser (or you, maliciously) > posts freaking/invalid > byte sequences at some script I've got on the server then would you > consider it correct > that the server crashed? or would you expect some kind of 'your input > sucks' error > message to appear? > >> It >> didn't used to be there either. I've gone to the PEAR site many times >> in the >> past. The site isn't even that compex, so I'm curious why the webmaster >> couldn't just fix this problem and make everyone happy? > > we work around bugs and problems all day in the job we do - how is > cranking up a > different browser because a site happens not to work with a particular > site any different? > > if we're really about making everyone happy - how about we tackle something > serious like the whole 'war for oil' business? exactly how fragile is a > human mind if > a browser crashing on a particular site is deciding factor in being > capable of > experiencing happiness? (not that I'm suggesting this about Richard - Im > sure he > was just a little miffed and ping'ed the question out of curiousity more > than anything) > >> Or is the PHP >> community so snobbish that they're turning into the Linux community? >> I find it so ironic that all the fringe browser people freak out if their >> browser isn't supported by some site and demand retribution, yet when the >> tables are turned how quick they are to tell 80% of the world to use a >> 20% >> browser... > > let's make it sound like they all *chose* IE shall we - a large majority > of that 80% actually think IE *is* the internet, they certainly didn't > choose it > because they thought it was the best tool for the job (which it may or > may not > be depending or circumstance and/or perspective) - indoctrination and > ignorance > do not make good metrics for determining the superiority of a given > product ... > keyboard layout being another fine example ... de facto not necessarily > equal da bom > >> >> *sigh* > > indeed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
